hell and mercy

[Floatingaxe]

Haha! Oh! that PM! I am strong-willed, but I am not mad or angry... I love Jesus and want Him represented well. He's what it's all about.

[Pax]

Haha! Oh! that PM! I am strong-willed, but I am not mad or angry... I love Jesus and want Him represented well. He's what it's all about.

I am not trying to be a jerk, but letting you know how if feel. I think it is great that you love Jesus and you want to represent him well. But you have to understand that not everyone is going to agree with you. I am Catholic and your not. I don't agree with some of your theology and you are not going to agree with my theology, but you can't jump into a converstation and tell a person to stop cramming their theology down our throats. Do you know how many times I have wanted to do this when other people are writing things that i don't agree with. FA I am also strong willed but I getting old. With age i have learned to approach things in a little different way, I try to be more charitiable, but still fall short at times.

[Floatingaxe]

Haha! Oh! that PM! I am strong-willed, but I am not mad or angry... I love Jesus and want Him represented well. He's what it's all about.

I am not trying to be a jerk, but letting you know how if feel. I think it is great that you love Jesus and you want to represent him well. But you have to understand that not everyone is going to agree with you. I am Catholic and your not. I don't agree with some of your theology and you are not going to agree with my theology, but you can't jump into a converstation and tell a person to stop cramming their theology down our throats. Do you know how many times I have wanted to do this when other people are writing things that i don't agree with. FA I am also strong willed but I getting old. With age i have learned to approach things in a little different way, I try to be more charitiable, but still fall short at times.

I thought you said you were 35? That's old? You could be my son!

[RustyAngeL]

God is love. why do we believe in a hell-hole where most of Gods created humans will be tortured FOREVER for chosing to be wicked, or for unbelief in his son, Jesus? I think that this teaching is false, as in the days of Jesus, the religious leaders taught falsehoods, the Greek word Hades and the Hebrew word Sheol, mean the GRAVE, Hell is the word the translators used. and check out this scripture, umm, the thought of burning people alive 'never entered Gods mind', jer.32:35 and never entered his heart either jer.7:31 as a matter of fact, God calls this idea of burning childen alive in fire an ABOMINATION, probably because HE IS LOVE, so why are people taught that God will do to his earthly children what is horrible in Gods mind? well, good ole satan is still misleading the religious leaders, he told Eve she would'nt really die, gen.3;4 but she did die, now he's telling us we don't really die, were tortured forever, were not really dead, and to top it all off, GOD is the one sending us there, umm ,whats wrong with this picture ? The bible is telling the truth when it tells us what happens at death. ecc.9:5,10 and ps. 146:3,4 and the soul does die-eze.18:4 and the spirit goes back to God, who gave it.ecc.12:7 thats why we need the ressurection. john 5:25, 6:40 agape love-onmyway

Onmyway,

God is love but perhaps his definition is not based on your feelings or definitions. Just a thought.

From what I can gather. When a person dies they are in the hell, hades, sheol or the grave as you say, they are not aware of anything. There are some exceptions made in the scriptures.

So far so good but there is more.

The tortures and punishments come after the judgement when Satan and his angles and all his followers are sent to what is referred to as the lake of fire after they are found guilty not before.

God says he resurrects all and some are sent to the lake of fire that burns forever and forever, this is also called the second death. This might be why you have trouble understanding. Rev 14;9-11, 19:20, 20:10-15, 21:18. Just a few places. The second death is not like the first and doesn

[Pax]

God is love. why do we believe in a hell-hole where most of Gods created humans will be tortured FOREVER for chosing to be wicked, or for unbelief in his son, Jesus? I think that this teaching is false, as in the days of Jesus, the religious leaders taught falsehoods, the Greek word Hades and the Hebrew word Sheol, mean the GRAVE, Hell is the word the translators used. and check out this scripture, umm, the thought of burning people alive 'never entered Gods mind', jer.32:35 and never entered his heart either jer.7:31 as a matter of fact, God calls this idea of burning childen alive in fire an ABOMINATION, probably because HE IS LOVE, so why are people taught that God will do to his earthly children what is horrible in Gods mind? well, good ole satan is still misleading the religious leaders, he told Eve she would'nt really die, gen.3;4 but she did die, now he's telling us we don't really die, were tortured forever, were not really dead, and to top it all off, GOD is the one sending us there, umm ,whats wrong with this picture ? The bible is telling the truth when it tells us what happens at death. ecc.9:5,10 and ps. 146:3,4 and the soul does die-eze.18:4 and the spirit goes back to God, who gave it.ecc.12:7 thats why we need the ressurection. john 5:25, 6:40 agape love-onmyway

Onmyway,

God is love but perhaps his definition is not based on your feelings or definitions. Just a thought.

From what I can gather. When a person dies they are in the hell, hades, sheol or the grave as you say, they are not aware of anything. There are some exceptions made in the scriptures.

So far so good but there is more.

The tortures and punishments come after the judgement when Satan and his angles and all his followers are sent to what is referred to as the lake of fire after they are found guilty not before.

God says he resurrects all and some are sent to the lake of fire that burns forever and forever, this is also called the second death. This might be why you have trouble understanding. Rev 14;9-11, 19:20, 20:10-15, 21:18. Just a few places. The second death is not like the first and doesn

[Pax]

Haha! Oh! that PM! I am strong-willed, but I am not mad or angry... I love Jesus and want Him represented well. He's what it's all about.

I am not trying to be a jerk, but letting you know how if feel. I think it is great that you love Jesus and you want to represent him well. But you have to understand that not everyone is going to agree with you. I am Catholic and your not. I don't agree with some of your theology and you are not going to agree with my theology, but you can't jump into a converstation and tell a person to stop cramming their theology down our throats. Do you know how many times I have wanted to do this when other people are writing things that i don't agree with. FA I am also strong willed but I getting old. With age i have learned to approach things in a little different way, I try to be more charitiable, but still fall short at times.

I thought you said you were 35? That's old? You could be my son!

You mean that photo of you isn't current????

[Guest man]

So do you still consider suicide to be a mortal sin?

Yes. There must be three things in place to commit a mortal sin.

1.) Must be grave matter, killing ones self is definantly this

2.) One has to know that it is a sin. Not everyone might know that this is a sin

3.) One has to then freely act on this sin. This is important, mental illness, pressure, sickness can all take away ones free will.

If these are all in place and then one kills themselves they could committ a mortal sin and not be around to repent. This is very bad

Now that you've answered everyone else's post, would you mind replying to this one.

Where is this found in scripture?

[Pax]

So do you still consider suicide to be a mortal sin?

Yes. There must be three things in place to commit a mortal sin.

1.) Must be grave matter, killing ones self is definantly this

2.) One has to know that it is a sin. Not everyone might know that this is a sin

3.) One has to then freely act on this sin. This is important, mental illness, pressure, sickness can all take away ones free will.

If these are all in place and then one kills themselves they could committ a mortal sin and not be around to repent. This is very bad

Now that you've answered everyone else's post, would you mind replying to this one.

Where is this found in scripture?

1 John 5:16-17. John makes it clear that there are two types of sin.

[Guest man]

So do you still consider suicide to be a mortal sin?

Yes. There must be three things in place to commit a mortal sin.

1.) Must be grave matter, killing ones self is definantly this

2.) One has to know that it is a sin. Not everyone might know that this is a sin

3.) One has to then freely act on this sin. This is important, mental illness, pressure, sickness can all take away ones free will.

If these are all in place and then one kills themselves they could committ a mortal sin and not be around to repent. This is very bad

Now that you've answered everyone else's post, would you mind replying to this one.

Where is this found in scripture?

1 John 5:16-17. John makes it clear that there are two types of sin.

We're not talking about 2 types of sin here. The topic is suicide.

You claim it is a mortal sin. You stated that 3 things must be in place to commit a mortal sin.

I simply asked where this is found in scripture. So if you could provide those verses, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

[Pax]

So do you still consider suicide to be a mortal sin?

Yes. There must be three things in place to commit a mortal sin.

1.) Must be grave matter, killing ones self is definantly this

2.) One has to know that it is a sin. Not everyone might know that this is a sin

3.) One has to then freely act on this sin. This is important, mental illness, pressure, sickness can all take away ones free will.

If these are all in place and then one kills themselves they could committ a mortal sin and not be around to repent. This is very bad

Now that you've answered everyone else's post, would you mind replying to this one.

Where is this found in scripture?

1 John 5:16-17. John makes it clear that there are two types of sin.

We're not talking about 2 types of sin here. The topic is suicide.

You claim it is a mortal sin. You stated that 3 things must be in place to commit a mortal sin.

I simply asked where this is found in scripture. So if you could provide those verses, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Man the Bible doesn't come right out and say "if you kill yourself you have committed a mortal sin and will go straight to hell." However the Bible says "Thou shall not Kill." And the Bible also talks of two types of sin, when you put the two together a person who commits suicide had a chance of committing a mortal sin and is no long here to repent, which could be very bad for that person. However this isn't black and white.