Pope/Muslims

[Old Timer]

I submit this as an appropriate apology the Pope should make:

I extremely sorry that Muslims misinterpreted the quotes I read from a 14th century monk and applied the violence, brutality and non productive contributions to civilization he attributed to Mohammad and his followers to their own behavior.

I am deeply saddened that Muslims are now engaging in violent, brutal and non civilized actions to demonstrate their misunderstanding of what I purposely quoted in my thoughtful and carefully considered remarks.

[amor]

No my criticism of you was for yor gleeful little response with your invented quotes, if you can give a source for them, then go ahead and rebut me.

I did. Now admit you were wrong and realize that you generally are.

Here's the quote "How dare you call us killers and intolerant! If you don't apologize for that we'll kill you!" show me the link to it.

lol

Poor ole' iman amor...I wish you could think. Then again, if you could, you'd be pro-Israel.

That was a summarization of how the Muslims have been acting. *sigh*

So you can't source your "quote", when previously you intimated that you could. The response to being challenged on this is pathetic sarcasm.

You are absurd Iman. I just explained that I was mocking their actions. Regardless, you have ignored the article I supplied with the source because it proves you wrong. Not going to let you twist this one Iman.

Why do you resort to insult? I reallyt don't know which article your refering to, if I missed it then I'm sorry. Point it out to me and I'll look, but as it's past my bed-timeI'm not going to trawl through 70 odd posts looking for it.

[apothanein kerdos]

Oh Amor, does a cat have your tongue or are you just unwilling to admit you were deathly wrong?

Angry Muslims have bombed a church. Why? "We carried out this shooting because of the pope's statement, and he must apologise," a man, who refused to give his name, told AFP.

So there you go Amor...you said I can't predict tomorrow's news, yet here we have my prediction coming correct. Uh oh....and I it wasn't a lucky guess, I merely looked at past and recent events. So Iman Amor, what say you?

You missed this?

[amor]

As Islam has been described as a

[apothanein kerdos]

So calling Islam evil and a hate filled religion makes me hate filled? Iman, you need to look past your rose colored lenses.

[Old Timer]

My stance is that as a Christian, my primary aim is to try and put my own house in order, because until I do that I can't see how I can minister to others outside. Christianity is in a mess and has moved far from the teachings of Jeus as my postings above highlight. I'm not an authority on the Koran and whether Muslums follow it or not, I do know however that many who call themselves Christian including posters on this board do not follow the Bible. We are told to love our enemies as we love ourselves yet look at the hatred being spewed up against Muslims here, and indeed those of us who question this hatred. Looking at other posts on this board we have a Christian posteradvocating the mass murder with nuclear weapons of people.I see no condemnation of that here. How is that poster's mentality, his commitment to death and destruction any different or any more Christian than that of Bin Laden? How different are Christian and Muslim hate-mongers?

If you believe in ministering towards Muslims instead of vilifying them, how do you think all your angry hate-filled posts here help that? Look at Jesus look at Paul see how they ministered to non-jews be they Samaritans, Romans or Greeks. There attitude was not your attitude. Jesus bought the Centurion's daughter back to life, would you be any where near as kind to the child of a Hamas or Taliban member. Paul preached sensibly and sensitively to the Greeks in Athens he did not indulge his hate like you do.

Amor,

I think I understand what you are saying here and your position. As we would approach any individual Muslim (or anyone else) you are absolutely correct. The problem I see, and the fault that others make reference to, is that you seem to condone the actions of militant Muslims while finding fault with Christians who abhor Islam.

Certainly, we are to always question our motives in reference to what Jesus taught and the Bible teaches. We are to do good to others, love our enemies, etc. But that does not relieve us from the duty to stand against evil when we find it. I can speak out against homosexuality while praying for the sinner and trying to bring about his repentance. In other words, love you enemy but hate the sin. Love the individual Muslim but hate Islam.

As to actually helping our enemies when they are wounded in battle or lie sick I think you will find that Israel has done just that. I can give posts and references but it will take a while to find them again. I suggest you go to the site of Brigitte Gabriel and listen to her testimony, a Lebanese Christian caught up in the war of the 80

[Arthur Durnan]

Amor, Amor. please pull yourself together! The Roman "pope" agrees with me. I said what i said long ago & before the "Vatican" issued any peep. How'd your day go anyways?

http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com

[eric]

Sorry I have to say this,.......If a layperson had have said similar to what the pope said at a public meeting, he would either be dead or in hiding. At least didn't kiss the koran like his. predecessor. I'm not a pope fan, but he only said what a lot of bigwigs haven't the guts to say and I applaud his remarks.

[O'Dannyboy]

I can see why Christiandom has been so quiet about Islam. We are taught that if our actions cause our brother to stumble then we must resist that action. At this point our silence and constant tongue biting has been our undoing. The Islamic world again perceives Christianity as week and passive. While violence is never the answer, we should never be afraid to speak the truth. We are called to be beacons of truth and love to those around us are we not? There are too many people around the world walking around in a cloud of disbelief and misinformation. When we stop holding our tongues and find within us that same fire that Jesus had when he witnessed the money changers in his fathers temple, perhaps the followers of Mohammed will have to think about who they are dealing with.

[sweetycakes]

Well said, some of you people on here.

Death to islam. islam is an evil and dangerous false religion.

I said death to ISLAM, not death to muslims. God loves muslims and wants them to repent and be saved.

mohammed is a false prophet. I spelt his name in lower case letters because I don't want to offer him the honour he gets from his followers, by the way.

Just yesterday, in an article related to the pope's speech, muslims have stated that "Jesus is the slave of allah"

....rubbish!

Death to islam!