"And all were healed"

[traveller]

Mat 8:8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.

Mat 8:9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this [man], Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth [it].

Mat 8:10 When Jesus heard [it], he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

So - have you met this centurion fella? He evidently had great faith - for Jesus said so. Or, did he still die of something?

In the last thread that ran on this subject, the exact same question was answered. "It is appointed unto man once to die." If your recall we are told that Death is still to be put underfoot. Death will not end until the ending of the Millenium.

I would guess the Centurian died of natural old age, not cancer. Just because you must die does not mean you must die sick.

No one dies healthy, if it's old age. Old age is from decay. Decay is from the fall.

[WayneB]

Mat 8:8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.

Mat 8:9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this [man], Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth [it].

Mat 8:10 When Jesus heard [it], he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

So - have you met this centurion fella? He evidently had great faith - for Jesus said so. Or, did he still die of something?

In the last thread that ran on this subject, the exact same question was answered. "It is appointed unto man once to die." If your recall we are told that Death is still to be put underfoot. Death will not end until the ending of the Millenium.

I would guess the Centurian died of natural old age, not cancer. Just because you must die does not mean you must die sick.

No one dies healthy, if it's old age. Old age is from decay. Decay is from the fall.

Exactly. Human cells constantly die and regenerate. As we age, our metabolism slows and we lose the ability to regenerate cells. Eventually, the rate of cells dying exceeds the rate of new cells regenerating and the result is physical death. Simple. Our flesh was and remains corrupted. To say different ignores the reality of Human Physiology and Cell Pathology.

[Vickilynn]

No one dies healthy, if it's old age. Old age is from decay. Decay is from the fall.

Shalom,

Exactly! Sickness and disease is a part of the decaying body, the chemicals we are exposed to and our body's immune system.

My son's death at age 3 1/2 was not caused by satan, nor by a curse, nor by G-d. His heart had a congenital defect and he had a cardiac arrest. Our whole family was found to carry that gene that he died of.

G-d allowed him to die because it was his time. No one caused his illness, but his days were ordained by G-d. He was not healed, even though we prayed and had great faith, because G-d ordained his days, not us. G-d is sovereign, not us. We trust G-d and that He always does what is right. We cannot "command" G-d by waving our "faith" around.

Our faith is in G-d and His sovereignty, not in healing, as it is not always G-d's will to heal.

[MrLuke]

There is fault, but not on the part of the child.

So.. it's the fault of the doubt and little faith in the parents or other family members or whoever is in charge of the child?

hr.jr, you never answered me this, If it's not the fault of the child, then who?

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

Ro

[MeCajunboy]

EDIT - 24.07.07: Bringing this topic back to life to try get some more definate answers. Maybe it should be moved to the Doctrinal forum section mods? -thanks

This is something I would like to go into in more detail, given the time, to try and understand and learn from. If anyone else has previously studied what I'm about to say then please feel free to post what you have learnt

It just occurs to me that more often than not (if at all, except maybe the time Jesus wasn't accepted in His hometown), that when the disciples prayed for people to be healed, they were! Just looking in Acts shows this. I haven't looked all that deeply, but when do you see in the NT people coming for healing and walking away still sick, wondering why God didn't heal them which is what seems to be the norm in many churches today? I am fully aware that you need the power of the Holy Spirit working within you, and Jesus did say to lay hands on the sick for them to be healed in His name - yet it doesn't always seem to work like that now. Some people still come away ill and sick.

As someone who has been graciously given the gift of healing, I have only seen the opposite happen in that "all were healed" who have come to me so far.

So what is going on in churches today I wonder and ask? Is it due to lack of faith on the sick person's end or the person praying? Or both perhaps? Is it that God keeps some sick to teach them stuff (which to me doesn't add up if they have come to someone to be healed, like people did in the NT and got healing) maybe like the blind man they are sick to show God's glory, but even then he got healed when prayed over so God's glory was shown there and then - not in a few weeks/months/years when the sickness/illness goes slowly away.

I would like to find some scriptures to quote more accurately anything I have mentioned here, but it's 1am right now so I will do it tomorrow, I just wanted to get this posted and out of my head while I was thinking about it!

Please, post scripture, thoughts and opinions or your own studies you have done on this topic - then maybe we will all learn something new and be strengthened and encouraged in our faith and more able to answer the difficult questions of healing that people sometimes pose us with!

-Enjoy!

Cajunboy:::: Blessings Luke, Good one! The most simple response is to remind you and all concerned that "God does all things for HIS own purpose!" Although the "end result" should benifit all who hasten to HIS calling, God's own purpose is that HE wants us ALL to be with HIM in Heaven for an eternity, and whether we feel we need to witness a miracle or we just want so badly to have a very dear loved one HEALED, if it doesn't serve God and HIS purpose, it is not necessary in God's View, for the person's healing. Remember, we are hear on earth for a very short span of time, in God's time. And all these people that we "deem" it so necessary for healing so that they can enjoin us for the remainder of our years, is probably more a "selfish" means than one that Glorifies God! God only wants those to join HIM who understand and respect HIS motives and intentions.

Blessings

[EricH]

As I was thinking of the title of this topic, it occured to me that no all were healed either then or now. Consider Paul's statement to Timothy:

Don't continue drinking only water, but use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses.

1 Timothy 5:23 HCSB

We don't see Paul encouraging Timothy to appropriate healing by faith. We see Paul encouraging him to drink some wine. Notice also that his illnesses were frequent, and that Paul gives no indication that this should be viewed as unusual, or an evidence of Timothy's lack of faith.

[MrLuke]

As I was thinking of the title of this topic, it occured to me that no all were healed either then or now. Consider Paul's statement to Timothy:

Don't continue drinking only water, but use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses.

1 Timothy 5:23 HCSB

We don't see Paul encouraging Timothy to appropriate healing by faith. We see Paul encouraging him to drink some wine. Notice also that his illnesses were frequent, and that Paul gives no indication that this should be viewed as unusual, or an evidence of Timothy's lack of faith.

Oh I know they had illnesses to deal with, the title of this topic is a quote from Acts where Paul was shipwrecked and found out the village elder or someone, was ill and was healed. Word got out and everyone in the village with illnesses came and "all were healed". That's what sparked my thinking on this to post it, then when a healing happened and other people came, they were "all" healed. We just don't seem to see it the same here anymore. Maybe it's just the West? I don't know.