"Ministers of the Gospel of Jesus Christ"

[Ovedya]

I would also like to add that according to the Bible, we are all slaves of Christ, announcing the saving grace of Him to the world:

"But thanks be to God, who always leads us in triumph in the Christ and manifests the savor of the knowledge of Him through us in every place." (2 Cor. 2:14)

According to the Greek leads us in triumph is a term used to indicate a triumphal procession, as in a procession of slaves having been conquored by Christ. This is a metaphore alluding strongly to the Roman practice of conquest. When a Roman army captured a city they would lead their captives back to the capitol in a triumphal procession. An incense bearer would be there scattering incense along the way. Some of the conqored were put to death upon reaching the capitol. To those the smell of the incense was "an odor of death unto death." To those who were spared it was "an odor of life unto life." (v. 16)

[Ovedya]

well, i see we that a little diffeenct of agreement here as usual.

May be i can clear this up. please be patient and read what i have to say.

ok i to thank u for your time..

now we are all called to minister.... but not all are called to be ministers as in pastor, teacher evangelist etc. are we. no way .

NOT ALLMEN ARE CALLED TO BE LEADERS.... IF SO THAT WHO WOULD FOLLOW.

IT IS LIKE THIS..... I WAS CALLED TO BE A PIPEFITTER AND MY WIFE WAS CALLED TO BE A NURSE IN A HOSPITAL..

COULD SHE COME OUT AND DO THE WORK THAT I DID ..... NOWAY

CLIMBING HUNDREDS OF FEET INT HE AIR WITH VERY LITTLE TO HANG ON TO.

BUT AGAIN TO U THINK THAT I COULD GO IN TO A HOSPITAL AND DO WHAT SHE HAS BEEN TRAINED TO DO. HANDLING PEOPLE THAT ARE SICK AND ALL......... I PERSONALLY HATE TO WALK IN TO A HOSPITAL .

BUT THE LORD EQUIPS FOR WHAT HE CALLS US TO DO IN THE MINISTRY

LIKE THIS STORY ..... A MAN

Agree. As Paul wrote there are distictions in ministry, but all in the same Spirit.

[jesusislord]

well, i see we that a little diffeenct of agreement here as usual.

May be i can clear this up. please be patient and read what i have to say.

ok i to thank u for your time..

now we are all called to minister.... but not all are called to be ministers as in pastor, teacher evangelist etc. are we. no way .

NOT ALLMEN ARE CALLED TO BE LEADERS.... IF SO THAT WHO WOULD FOLLOW.

IT IS LIKE THIS..... I WAS CALLED TO BE A PIPEFITTER AND MY WIFE WAS CALLED TO BE A NURSE IN A HOSPITAL..

COULD SHE COME OUT AND DO THE WORK THAT I DID ..... NOWAY

CLIMBING HUNDREDS OF FEET INT HE AIR WITH VERY LITTLE TO HANG ON TO.

BUT AGAIN TO U THINK THAT I COULD GO IN TO A HOSPITAL AND DO WHAT SHE HAS BEEN TRAINED TO DO. HANDLING PEOPLE THAT ARE SICK AND ALL......... I PERSONALLY HATE TO WALK IN TO A HOSPITAL .

BUT THE LORD EQUIPS FOR WHAT HE CALLS US TO DO IN THE MINISTRY

LIKE THIS STORY ..... A MAN who all he was was janitor in the church . for years that was all he ever did..... week after week and year after year. however he was the happiest man in the whole church

one day the pastor ask him why he was so happy......... this janitor said

SIR,,,,, I AM DOING WHAT THE LORD CALLED ME TO DO.

NOW WHEN WE DO THE LORDS CALLING FROM A JANITOR TO A PASTOR... WE THAN ARE WHERE THE LORD WANTS US.....

SO WOULD THE LORD CALL ALL MEN TO BE EVANGELIST , PASTORS , TEACHERS , NO

CAN WE ALL BE LEADERS NO........ DOWE ALL HAVE THE ANOINTING TO PREACH OR TEACH NOWAY ......

AND THOSE THAT GOD CALLED INTO THE MINISTRY SUCH AS PASTORS EVANGELISTS, APOSTLES DO HAVE AUTHORITY OVER THE REST OF THE FLOCK.

THEY SHOULD BE LIKE A SHEPHERD GUARDING THEIR SHEEP TO KEEP THE FROM THE WOLF......

ARE WE ALL CALLED TO DO THAT.?

DID THE LORD ORDAIN EACH OF US TO BE A PASTOR EVANGELIST TEACHER.

IF SO WHERE THE ONES WE ARE TO TEACH.

NO WE ARE CALLED TO BE SERVANTS OF THE MOST HIGH GOD WHAT EVER HE WANTS WE DO......IS IT THAT NOW RIGHT..... OR SHOULD WE GO OUR OWN WAY AND DO WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

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GOD BLESS YOU ALL

[jesusislord]

THE FIRST PART GOT POSTED BY ACCIDENT FORGIVE ME

[Guest Evangelist Dare]

Sister the body of Christ IS THE CHURCH..

NOT A BUILDING.

Now when i gave that teaching i taught God's word and if anything i said CONTRADICTED THE WORD OF GOD PLEASE SHO W ME.

To hear you all tell it , ALL ARE ORDAINED OF GOD TO PREACH AND TEACH...

NOT SO ACCORDING TO THE WORD OF GOD....LET EVERY MAN BE A LIAR(THAT INCLUDES ME) AND GOD BE TRUE.

ALL ARE NOT CALLED , ORDAINED BY GOD TO BE MINISTERS OF THE GOSPEL...PREACHERS EVANGELISTS, APOSTLES AND ETC....

YOU TEACH CONTRARY TO THE WORD...

THAT IS NOT GOD'S WORD...BUT HEY WHO AM I?

I AM A SERVANT SAVED AND CALLED OF GOD AND I KNOW MY CALLING AND I KOW BEFORE MY CALLING I COULD NOT HAVE PREACHED MY WAY OUT OF A PAPER BAG....

I GAVE YOU THE WORD OF GOD AND YOU COME AGAINST IT.

IT IS GOD'S WORD , NOT MINE...

Mar 3:14 And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach,

Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD [is] upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to [them that are] bound;

Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord [is] upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised

1Ti 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, [and] lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

I AM NOT CALLED TO ARGUE AND STRIVE WITH MY BRETHREN . I GAVE YOU THE WORD OF GOD AND YOU REJECT IT AND COME AGAINST A SERVANT OF GOD WHO SPOKE NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH TO YOU..THEREFORE THERE IS NOTHING ELSE TO BE SAID ON MY PART....I LEAVE IT ALL IN THE MIGHTY HANDS OF GOD ....AND GOD WILL SEND ME ELSE WHERE WHERE THE TRUTH IS WANTED.

WHEN YOU COME AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD, YOU COME AGAINST GOD, NOT ME.

IT SEEMS YOU WAZNT TO ARGUE AND BICKER , YOU HAVE THE WRONG EVANGELIST.

I HAVE DONE NOTHING BUT TEACH AND PREACH THE WORD OF GODIN TRUTH AND ALL IS WELL WITH MY SOUL....

I HOPE AND PRAY THAT YOU CAN SAY THAT....GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU AND BROTHER BEAU I WISH YOU NOTHING BUT THE BEST WITH THIS MINISTRY AND THAT MANY WILL COME TO KNOW OUR DEAR LORD AND SAVIOUR, AND THAT THE BODY OF CHRIST THAT GATHERS HERE WILL BE EDIFIED.....UNTIL THE SHOUT THAT WILL SURELY TAKE US OUT, SERVING CHRIST JESUS ALWAYS, EVANGELIST dare

[Ovedya]

I think our problem lies in our definitions of what ministers are, and how the ministry of Christ functions. I believe that you are trying to quantify the word "minister" as being one who holds a specific office in the church, and believe that Ephesians 4:11 outlines offices rather than functions in the church.

As I outlined above, however, I believe that, according to the Bible, the only offices in the church are those of apostles, elders, and deacons. I also believe that where an apostle, elder and deacon is responsible for the main function of shepherding the saints, and teaching the saints, the functions mentioned in Eph. 4:11 are not limited to the offices of the church.

According to whatI have read in the Bible, a minister is one who who carries out the ministry of Christ under the direction of the officers of the church, or under the direction of Christ Himself. The Body of Christ is an organizm, not an organization. The essential element in your physical body is blood. It's function is to bring the things your body needs to live and grow to all the parts of your body. Likewise, the ministry of Christ flows through all the members in the Body of Christ, to bring the riches of God's household to the saints.

Each member of your physical body functions according to its placement and function. There is a discernment between the members of your body in function. Yet there is no discernment with the respect of blood flow. The blood in your body flows in and out of each member, otherwise you would have dead members. Now, certainly your finger does not flow the blood in the same way that the heart does. The heart has a higher funtion. Yet because the heart has such a higher function, does not mean that your finger is divested from flowing blood to the other members. The entire ministry of Christ encompasses all the members and flows to the rest of the body according to the function of each one part.

So when you write that the ministers are only certain people, I do not see that, frankly, because the entire ministry of Christ extends to each member in the church. The members function differently according to their gifts. But each member functions to minister Christ in the Body. Thus, not only is an elder qualified to minister Christ to others, but each member is qualified to minister according to their function.

[godrulz]

There is a difference between rejecting the Word of God and one's interpretation of the Word of God. I think there is some misunderstanding of what we all believe on this subject.

[Guest shadow2b]

-------EPH.4.vss.11-12--

And he gave some,apostles,and some, prophets;and some,evangelists;and some,pastors and teachers;For the perfecting of the saints,for the work of the ministry-------

FOR THE PERFECTING OF THE SAINTS---FOR THE{THEIR--THE SAINTS}WORK OF THE MINISTRY-------

SO ALL SAINTS HAVE BEEN CALLED INTO THE MINISTRY----{according to scripture}

---I GAVE YOU THE WORD OF GOD AND YOU COME AGAINST IT.

I AM HEART-BROKEN--I REALLY AM---statements like this have been flying all over worthy-boards

these last couple of months----Each time "worthy-board" members have been attacked--vilified---

denounced as "false-teachers" that REJECT "THE TRUTH" THE GOD BREATHED WORD proclaimed by

the current "prophet",teacher--evangelist--pastor----that wants & truly "believes" ALL saints MUST

bow down before & submit themselves to this "falsely assumed authority"----These things just

boggle my mind & grieve my spirit--------I think i'll just close this off because I really doNOT know

what else to say,except I "feel" just like A dear friend has died---my spirit is so grieved-------

GOD-BLESS-ALL-TRUTHSEEKERS--------------------Gary-- :x:

[godrulz]

Is Dare from the West Indies by any chance?

The last defensive post does not sit well with me either.

[Fewarechosen7F]

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Eph 4:14 That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

i am speaking of those who have been called and anointed of God tp preach and teach God's word..

there is a difference in being a witness and being called and anointed of God into His service to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ....

God bless.....much love in Christ, evangelist dare

A hearty AMEN!! Sister