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[Guest man]

2131

Also from post 12.

The "Son of God" ( Christ ) introduced a new economy of images.

Where did these images come from?

[Fiosh]

What in scripture tells you she remained a virgin?

Several things:

1. Luke 2: 41-51 Jesus is 12 yrs old and there is no mention of any other children

2. Mark 6:3 Jesus is referred to as "the son of Mary" not "a son of Mary"

3. John 19:26 At the Cross, Jesus gave His mother to the Apostle John, and she went to live with him. Why would she not be taken care of by her other sons?

And other more subtle things, like for instance, in John 7: 3-4, it would be disrespectful in the culture of Jesus' time address an older brother as they spoke to Jesus.

Where were his siblings as He went thru the Passion and crucifixion?

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Some offer the possibility that Joseph, Mary's husband had children from a previous marriage, but I don't lean in that direction.

[Pax]

Ok...this quote is from post 12.

What does it mean?

It means we can venerate (honor) sacred images such as pictures of Saints, Mary. But adoration is a level of worship saved for God alone. Adoration and veneration don't mean the same thing as Fiosh pointed out.

[Fiosh]

Just because the gospel writers repeated the words of Jesus when he said "This is my body" doesn't mean that he wasn't speaking metaphorically.

Gospel writers also repeated parables, but because they were repeated, doesn't make them true stories.

True enough. That's why it was only part of the body of evidence for Real Presence.

[Guest man]

Ok...this quote is from post 12.

What does it mean?

It means we can venerate (honor) sacred images such as pictures of Saints, Mary. But adoration is a level of worship saved for God alone. Adoration and veneration don't mean the same thing as Fiosh pointed out.

Honor rendered to an image passes to it's prototype.

What does that mean?

[cjrose]

Ok...this quote is from post 12.

What does it mean?

It means we can venerate (honor) sacred images such as pictures of Saints, Mary. But adoration is a level of worship saved for God alone. Adoration and veneration don't mean the same thing as Fiosh pointed out.

[artsylady]

Hi Pax:

Actually, what I meant was are there any scientific studies to show that what a person has ate or drank (as in wine or bread) has turned into either flesh or blood.

Surely you know that the bread is probably baked by someone and the grape juice is from a bottle that came from a vineyard, but you beleive at some point it turns into actual flesh or blood. I want to know if there's anything scientific to show that it actually turns into flesh. If this is true, we could retrieve Jesus' DNA quite easily, not that I believe it is, mind you.

[Guest man]

What in scripture tells you she remained a virgin?

Several things:

1. Luke 2: 41-51 Jesus is 12 yrs old and there is no mention of any other children

2. Mark 6:3 Jesus is referred to as "the son of Mary" not "a son of Mary"

3. John 19:26 At the Cross, Jesus gave His mother to the Apostle John, and she went to live with him. Why would she not be taken care of by her other sons?

And other more subtle things, like for instance, in John 7: 3-4, it would be disrespectful in the culture of Jesus' time address an older brother as they spoke to Jesus.

Where were his siblings as He went thru the Passion and crucifixion?

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Some offer the possibility that Joseph, Mary's husband had children from a previous marriage, but I don't lean in that direction.

Mark 3:31-32 makes ref. to "His" mother and "His" brothers.

[Fiosh]

2131 Basing itself on the mystery of the incarnate Word, the seventh ecumenical council at Nicaea (787) justified against the iconoclasts the veneration of icons - of Christ, but also of the Mother of God, the angels, and all the saints. By becoming incarnate, the Son of God introduced a new "economy" of images.

Also from post 12.

The "Son of God" ( Christ ) introduced a new economy of images.

Where did these images come from?

You are misunderstanding the phrase "introduced a new economy of images". It refers to the fact that Jesus introduced the "economy" not the images.

Before the Incarnation we did not know what God looks like. We could not make an image of the unseen God.

With the Incarnation, Jesus the God-man, presents to us the "face of God". We can now worship God in human flesh. And we can make representations of Him.

Look at it this way. Have you ever saluted the flag? Or visited a war memorial? Are you worshipping the cloth and the marble? Or are you honoring the soldiers who died fighting for our nation?

[Fiosh]

What in scripture tells you she remained a virgin?

Several things:

1. Luke 2: 41-51 Jesus is 12 yrs old and there is no mention of any other children

2. Mark 6:3 Jesus is referred to as "the son of Mary" not "a son of Mary"

3. John 19:26 At the Cross, Jesus gave His mother to the Apostle John, and she went to live with him. Why would she not be taken care of by her other sons?

And other more subtle things, like for instance, in John 7: 3-4, it would be disrespectful in the culture of Jesus' time address an older brother as they spoke to Jesus.

Where were his siblings as He went thru the Passion and crucifixion?

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Some offer the possibility that Joseph, Mary's husband had children from a previous marriage, but I don't lean in that direction.

Mark 3:31-32 makes ref. to "His" mother and "His" brothers.

Sure. Same word "adelphos".

Paul refers to Epaphroditus as "my brother" in Php 2:25. In Revelation 1: 9, John calls himself "your brother" to the seven churches. In Acts 22:13, Ananias calls Paul, "my brother". It was an extremely common expression.