Jesus-myth or "copycat savior" myth refuted.

[khalou]

Grace to you,

Kahlou,

"Why did God create the earth and His religion with insurmountable evidence that what Christians currently believe is wrong?"

Although I don't agree with your summations. My answer would be, Trust.

The Messiah-

Why has the Old Testament been changed by the Christians in order to make room for the Messianic justification of Jesus? Wasn't it enough just to say that the Hebrews were wrong about that? Why misinterpret words and change scriptures just to make Jesus seem more likely a candidate?

I can't worship a God like that no matter how hard I might try. If He created this universe, then He created the evidence that science uncovers. If He wants people like me to burn eternally in Hell just because I'm interested in science and curious about things, then He isn't God in the first place.

Either that, or He isn't a God worth worshiping.

Either that or all of you are wrong.

Interesting. After reading you for about a week. It would appear that you talked yourself out of Faith. That you felt there had to be something more that God was hiding from you.

However my question would be this.

What Truth was it that you have found that made it clear to you that there was something more than His Broken Body and Poured out Blood?

Peace,

Dave

Yours.

k

[Floatingaxe]

You know, khalou, after all you have said here about you having known the Lord for 40 years, I just don't believe it. I have know Jesus Christ for 44 years, and I have had a growing relationship, not without trials, but all with Him and His sustaining. When you are truly His, you grow up in Him. When you allow doubt, and bitterness and anger to fester, you tend to become limp and ineffective and even dry up spiritually. You walk in disobedience, and God takes His hand off you.

Why have you not grown? Is it because you have allowed doubt to steal the truth you had? Have you allowed bitterness to poison your sweetness with Jesus? Or did you merely have a mental assent to Christ, mistakenly believing you were a believer?

Anyone who says they were a Christian but aren't now---was never a truly committed believer. They have NEVER tasted of the sweetness of the Lord, for they would NEVER have abandoned Him. Once you know Jesus personally, you cannot deny Him.

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

Yours.

Bless you Khalou. I am just passing along what I have received to be the Truth from Gods very Word. It's not my Truth but the Truth of God Himself which He has revealed in Christ Jesus. In these last days.

The Mystery of God revealed.

Ps

[anti-hillbilly]

My husband was a devout, true blue, born again, fundamentalist for almost half a century. He is now an atheist and I'm still in shock; didn't see that coming at all. It happens people.

Edited October 20, 2006 by anti-hillbilly

[SoulGrind]

My husband was a devout, true blue, born again, fundamentalist for almost half a century. He is now an atheist and I'm still in shock; didn't see that coming at all. It happens people.

I am so sorry to hear that - When I hear things like that, I alsways have to wonder, were they ever truly saved?

I can't help but think of the parrable about the farmer who sows his seed...

"...And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow; And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up: Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth: And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away. And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them: But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold."

[Matthew 13:3-8 - KJV]

So sad indeed.

[anti-hillbilly]

My husband was a devout, true blue, born again, fundamentalist for almost half a century. He is now an atheist and I'm still in shock; didn't see that coming at all. It happens people.

I am so sorry to hear that - When I hear things like that, I alsways have to wonder, were they ever truly saved?

I can't help but think of the parrable about the farmer who sows his seed...

"...And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow; And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up: Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth: And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away. And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them: But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold."

[Matthew 13:3-8 - KJV]

So sad indeed.

It is sad but people always ask what you asked, were they truly saved?

The answer is Yes, he was truly saved. He took the bible very seriously, he took the afterlife very seriously, he approached God very seriously. He was not lukewarm; that's for sure.

[SoulGrind]

My husband was a devout, true blue, born again, fundamentalist for almost half a century. He is now an atheist and I'm still in shock; didn't see that coming at all. It happens people.

I am so sorry to hear that - When I hear things like that, I alsways have to wonder, were they ever truly saved?

I can't help but think of the parrable about the farmer who sows his seed...

"...And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow; And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up: Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth: And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away. And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them: But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold."

[Matthew 13:3-8 - KJV]

So sad indeed.

It is sad but people always ask what you asked, were they truly saved?

The answer is Yes, he was truly saved. He took the bible very seriously, he took the afterlife very seriously, he approached God very seriously. He was not lukewarm; that's for sure.

Answer this if you can - it's difficult, and I still struggle with it too:

How can a true beleiver turn from God?

Ray Comfort does a great job of explaining this in his "Hell's Best Kept Secret" series... there's a CD that talks about "False Conversion" and "Backsliding". You can find this information at http://www.wayofthemaster.com

There is a prayer list here on WB - Put your husband up for prayer.

I feel for you.

[Guest]

Oh Lord, Have Mercy!

{My husband was a devout, true blue, born again, fundamentalist for almost half a century. He is now an atheist and I'm still in shock; didn't see that coming at all. It happens people.}

Jesus! Jesus! Jesus!

Enough to scare me into the arms of Jesus!

"Watch ye, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong."

"Let all your things be done with charity"

(1 Corinthians 16:13-14 )

[anti-hillbilly]

How can a true beleiver turn from God?

It was a number of things but at the heart of were two things, he was an innerrant, bible believer and he is honest to a fault. To put it in a nutshell he painted himself in a corner with the Bible. I could make a list of questions that kept popping into his mind as he read the bible over and over and over but I won't because at this forum there are a lot of "innerrantists" and I wouldn't want to cause anyone to stumble the way he did. I've always been a liberal Christian; I'm not a bible innerrancy person so these questions didn't "throw" me the way they did him. He started spending a lot of time at Jewish websites asking questions right before he totally deconverted. I think those Left Behind books started the initial "unraveling" and the Jewish forums just finished it for him. -- I've prayed and tried to get him to attend my church [Prebysterian] and he won't do it. I think he's mad because he feels like he's been somehow "tricked". I told him I thought he was mad at God and he said he's not mad at God cause there isn't a God to be mad at; that people created God. I've just dropped it since then and thought it might be better to give him some time to "chill out" and regroup. I did ask him to keep his newfound atheism to himself and not be spouting off to the kids about it and he has, so far, done that for me.

He's not dead yet so it's never too late.

All prayers would be appreciated.

Edited October 20, 2006 by anti-hillbilly

[billie]

I'll be praying.