Do You Believe in "Once Saved, Always Saved"

[TomPJr]

• 1: What was Yom Kippur for? (Google it if you are unfamiliar)
  
  2: Why did God allow for the atonement of sin (Yom Kippur) consistently throughout the Old Testament?
  
  3: Where is it written in scripture that God removed continuos atonement (Yom Kippur) by the sacrifice of Christ?
  

1- Ooh, Ooh, pick me, I know this one! It's the Day of Atonement.

2- Because the Messiah had not yet come.

3- Um, probably because the sacrifice of Christ is the fulfillment of the Law?

BTW, I have no problem with people celebrating YK, if they find themselves edified by such customs. They do it as part of their worship of God, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Steve

The point is atonement for sin has been going on since Adam and Eve...God has not taken away atonement but given it in full by the blood of Christ.

I take it you have no idea of Christ's position with respect to Yom Kippur ?... keeping in mind, Christianity's origin is Jewish.

Peace

CJ

Adam and Eve were not Jewish yet they looked forward for the coming of Christ. I think that they were Christians.

[Guest Evangalizer84]

I have many many thoughts based on this question... I have done extensive research on this question which is a questin what boils down to one quetsion question is why are we here on this earth.. The bible says thsat God created both good and evil. The book of Isiaha clearly states it... We are all created with a free will.. God does not live in time.. he lives in eternity. so a day to him and like many to us.. It doesnt really matter to him.. so therefore.. If God is the begining and end. He then knows our end.. So he knows if we will make it to heaven or hell. And the cool part about it is he lets us choose.. " Now what kind of God can allow us to both choose (decide) yet knows what we are going to do.. So my answer to the question which is "I Belevie that if one is truly commited, Saved Saintified and God has a true calling on his life.... A true beleiver one whom speak with new tongues. Cast out demons, For this is what Jesus himself says that beleivers would do.. I belevie that if one is truly saved that way.. Those people wont backslide they cant backslide.. Now EVERYONE has issues.... But you have to be caught up in your sin to have it be an iniquity.. Soo my scriptuer to asnwer the queswtion is 1 Cor 6:9-11

9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

So that answers the question form me. no.. if your saved you saved if your not your not... Its kinda like almost pregnant... LOL

If you have any questions...

Please reply

Thanks Godbless

[Guest Evangalizer84]

3 questions...

• 1: What was Yom Kippur for? (Google it if you are unfamiliar)
  
  2: Why did God allow for the atonement of sin (Yom Kippur) consistently throughout the Old Testament?
  
  3: Where is it written in scripture that God removed continuos atonement (Yom Kippur) by the sacrifice of Christ?
  

I don't understand a lot of the things they did in the Old Testement or why. I just know that is was the law set up for the Hebrews to follow at that time, but we are no longer the same law structure or ordinances they were under. When Christ came he took away the Old Law and set up the New Law.

There could be no mediator between man and God for the atonement of Sin. Even the high Priest had to make a sin offering on the day of atonement in the Holy of Holies for his sins before he could make sin offering for the people of Isarael which is what Yom Kippur was for. Christ replaced the High Priest as mediator between man and God in order that their be no mediator between the two for the atonement of sin.

The History of sin throughout the Bible Old and New demonstrates the power of God to forgive His children...nobody has the right to stand in His place and judge otherwise.

Peace

CJ

Exacltlly my reply cj

[hrydavid]

hrydavid,

God gives us many gifts. The gift I

[Thaddaeus]

hrydavid,

I don’t think Jesus was trying to separate two different types of eternal lifes here. I would like to point out that through out the whole Gospel the term “eternal life” is being described as something positive and pointing to Christ. Not something that is negative, or neutral:

Precisely, it is all positive. Without Life, eternal, immortality, the other life IN Him is an immpossibility. If it were not so, then Christ is not necessary. ONLY He can restore mankind back to life, immortality, from death, being mortal.

Mathew 19:16 - Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"

Yes, and the context will always tell you which type it is referring to. The same in the two succeeding texts of John 6:39-40. Vs 39 is the all of mankind lost to death and will be raised. Thus all of mankind will be raised.

But then a distinction in vs 40, those that believe shall also be raised eternally, but will have everlasting life with Christ.

Mathew 25:46 - "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

This has the distinction. Both are eternal, physical life, but one is eternal spiritual life, the other eternal spiritual death.

Mark 10:17 - As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. "Good teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"

John 3:15 - that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.

Here it is all eternal, spiritual life. It is all premised on faith. One cannot obtain physical life, eternal or otherwise by faith.

John 3:16 - "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

premised on faith, thus this is referring to spiritual life, eternally.

And there are more verses but those are all that I’ll quote.

I believe it answers it, but if you still feel that the word eternal life in John 17:3 means both eternal life in hell and eternal life in heaven, even though all around that text eternal life means something positive, than of course it’s not going to answer it!

That is not what I was implying. It implies physical life and also spiritual death by the word "perish". One cannot have the spiritual unless one has the physical. It corresponds exactly with John 6:39-40 where it is clearly stated, not implied. It also balances with Paul in I Cor 15:46. Physical or natural before the spiritual.

When i had quoted John 17:3 - “Now this is eternal life that they may know you…” I had the passage in Mathew 7 verses 21-23 in mind: "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles? Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'' and I see some people use that to prove that a person that have been saved can loose their salvation. But in actuality, it is implying that not everyone who says that they are a christian is really a christian. He was talking to religious people here, that had no relationship with him, they didn’t have the “saving faith” that the apostle Paul talks about. And the only one who would know if you do have it is Jesus Christ.

On two reasons this does support OSAS. The fact that some can even think they are saved, follow the religious rules, do good, even do the very same works as a faithful believer, is sure proof that it is more than just a thought, a mental assertion or a one-time permanent faith. Your concept or view of what constitutes a believer is also not how scripture describes one. It is not a matter of who God thinks one may or may not be.

ANYONE, who enters the Kingdom is a believer. One enters the Kingdom upon faith, repentance and baptism. One recieves the Holy Spirit. Entrance does not mean you cannot leave or change ones mind. There is no such thing in this life of a true beleiver. A true believer can only be determined, by God and by death. Anytime in this life we have the ability, capability to change, to reject, to change from being faithful to being unfaithful. That is why it never speaks of salvation. OSAS proponents always state the opposite as if the opposite actually exists. It does not. It is not a matter of losing salvation, but of losing faith. Faith is the determinent of our eternal destiny. We are saved through faith. I Pet 1:5 is most clear on this view. God preserves the eternal inheritance, THROUGH OUR FAITH. If you do not keep the faith, if you do lose it and do not repent, you will lose the inheritance, which is everlasting life with Christ.

So when we say that “I have seen Christians fall back and stop believing“, or “there are many christian right now that live in fornication and sin” is really just an assumption that they had truly believed in their hearts.

Not an assumption at all. If they ever believed, initially repented and were baptised they are by scriptural definition a believer. We are not to judge, but we can tell by their fruits if they still remain IN Christ. If they fit the description you gave, and they willfully live in sin, they have indeed fallen. Repentance is the only road back.

And in this passage Jesus exposed these “Christians”. Yes they were religious people, and I bet peoples around them thought they were Christian because of their works, but that’s all they had. Nothing more. They didn’t have eternal life because they never knew him. They had no relationship with him. Just works.

No, they had the works, but no faith. Works and faith CANNOT be divorced. Faith without works is dead, works without faith is also dead, meaningless.

This is why it says in 1john 3:6 no one who (willfully) continues to sin has either seen him or known him. The person who is saved can no longer live a lifestyle where they will continually dishonor God, or commit sin with out the holy spirit convicting them.

This is speaking to and about believers. You have already changed the defintion of beleivers here. These are all baptised, In the Body believers John is speaking to, the Church, the Body of Christ. If they begin or continue to sin they have evidenced that they are unfaithful, no longer believers. That is why and how God can say at the judgement, that He never knew them.

This same descriptions follow through in the parable of the sower. ONLY the very first, where the sead was spread but never even took root, are those who hear the gospel but do absolutely nothing. They are not convicted by the Holy Spirit, they are resisting the Spirit. All the others, the three examples are all believers. The next, wayside was weak, never was to serious about his faith, the next stayed a little longer, but when other things seemed better, became more of a priority in his life, it swamped out the seed sprouting but never came to harvest. Then the good grain, faithful to the end. All are or were believers. you cannot fall away from something if you were not able to fall.

There are only two groups - believers or unbelievers. If you want to hold to the idea that some just were not "truly saved" or were not "true believers" that is permissible, but that means they were only and always unbelievers and an unbeliever cannot fall from being an unbeliever, At least, logically that would not be very congruous.

"No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God".

The problem is that we do not stay born of God. We permit a lot of other things to begin to rule our lives. We slip into slavery to the world. That is the enticement of sin. That is why we need to remain on guard. One cannot sin and remain IN Christ. When we do sin, repentance is the ONLY way back. Without repentance there is no remission of sin. Sin separates man from God, believer or unbeliever, makes no difference. Why do you think many of those texts that exhort to obedience, to remain faithful have any meaning?

This is not true because of the explanations I have just said. A christian will remain saved. In Philippians, Paul praises God for the confidence that, “He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion” (Philippians 1:6) And Jude 24 guarantees that God is “able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault”. As has been well said, The Lord’s trees are evergreen.

None of these verses has any guarantee in them at all. Everyone depends on the agency of man to maintain the promise of God to man.

Phil 1:6 is simply stating that God is not going to be the one we need to worry about changing the rules, His mind, or that He arbitrarily will change His mind and make His promises revocable. The rest of that section from 7-11 all lay the motivation, the obligation upon man. He is not saying this to God, to abound more and more in knowledge, that we may be sincere, These phrases and the others, not mentioned, all are absolutely meaningless if God holds man by force. If God guaranteed that a believer cannot slip, cannot lose faith, then any kind of exhortation given is not to benefit man, but for some odd reason must be to the benefit of God, Kinda reverses the relevance of God's revelation to man.

Jude 24 says that God is able, but is He always willing, even when we depart from Him to keep us from falling. If we desire to fall, God will permit man to fall. That is the justice of God. Man is free and has the obligation of free moral agency. He will harvest what he sows, not God.

Edited January 11, 2007 by Thaddaeus

[Thaddaeus]

Sorry,

Somehow the above post of mine was posted twice.

Carry on.

Edited January 11, 2007 by Thaddaeus

[hrydavid]

Thaddaeus

We both may not agree on this subject, but there is one thing for sure that i know we both agree on, and it's that God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that who ever beleives in him shall not perish but have eternal life

[Openly Curious]

Do you mean RITE of atonement? Because it is not a right.

Thats not what I meant, I'll re-phrase the last question to avoid confusion.

3 questions...

• 1: What was Yom Kippur for? (Google it if you are unfamiliar)
  
  2: Why did God allow for the atonement of sin (Yom Kippur) consistently throughout the Old Testament?
  
  3: Where is it written in scripture that God removed continuos atonement (Yom Kippur) by the sacrifice of Christ?
  

#1. yom kippur was dealing with the day of atonement under the old covenant found in Leviticus 16; 23:26-32; and Numbers 29:7-11

#2. the day of atonement was to be done in the 7th month on the 10th day of that month being Tishri on the Jewish calendar and it was during--September/October. This was a once a year an annual atonement day to make atonement for the sins of the priests, the sins of the people and also for the tabernacle or temple.

#3. You can find in Hebrews 9 where the day of atonement found it's ultimate fulfillment in Christ's death and crucifixion on the cross. As the day of atonement in the old testament laws that the levitical priesthood had to follow was only a picture and foreshadow that pointed us to the redeeming work of Christ Jesus and out of all the old testament types given to us there was none in my opinion that more adequately represented to us the redeeming work of Jesus that the day of atonement. As the whole burnt offering was to propitiate for sins in general and to show complete dedication and seperation unto God. And Christ certainly showed His complete dedication to the will of God the Father both on the part of God and on the part of the believers. Read

Matthew 26:39-44

Mark 14:36

Luke 22:42

Philippians 2:5-11

Romans 12:1-2

Hebrews 13:15

Hebrews 10:10--"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."

As the levitical offerings of the priesthood under the first covenant according to Hebrews chapter 9 were only temporary offering to be offered up on a continual basis until the time of Christ as He became sin for us who knew no sin and offered himself once on the cross only to atone for the sins of mankind and it is through Christ shed blood that those who are lost in sin can be made clean and holy in the sight of God. As the second covenant makes us righteous within as God took our stoney heart out cutting away the foreskins of our hearts and giving us a heart of flesh to feel after Him. (Romans 2:28-29) As the blood of the bulls and goats could not make them righteous within as they still had knowledge of their sins and a guilty conscious before God because the blood of the bulls and goats couldn't change their hearts it only gave temporary relief one time a year if God accepted the sacrifice then they was forgiven.

But there was no law that was given that could bring the righteousness of God under the old covenant. For it came only in the second covenant the new testament as Christ gave Himself once on the cross doing away with the levitical sacrificial offerings under the old covenant as Christ payed the ransom price for many. As it comes through the faith of Abraham that was made by promise. The law of faith in the blood of Jesus as Christ had only go to the cross once and suffer the shame and agony as He took the sins of mankind upon Himself thus Christ was the propitiaiton for sin the sacrifice the only sacrifice that was perfect and that would finally appease the wrath of God so that we could be reconciled in our relationship with Christ. Which is a continual walk daily and not a fly by night relationship as we are to present ourselves to God as a living sacrifice holy and acceptable to God which is our "reasonable service" and rightfully so in light of what Christ did on our behalf as Christ is our example of following the will of God which is the word of God and his commandments. As Jesus said if you love me then you will keep my commandments as Jesus fulfilled the law of the first covenant for without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins as Christ made us the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. What the first covenant could not ever do but could only point us unto Christ who was the yom kippur the atoning sacrifice as Christ came as he was the promised seed of Abraham that would be born and Christ thus fulfilled the law doing away with the levitical priesthood and the sacrificial and ceremonial system of the levitical priesthood and Christ is now our high priest.

OC

[TomPJr]

Do you mean RITE of atonement? Because it is not a right.

Thats not what I meant, I'll re-phrase the last question to avoid confusion.

3 questions...

• 1: What was Yom Kippur for? (Google it if you are unfamiliar)
  
  2: Why did God allow for the atonement of sin (Yom Kippur) consistently throughout the Old Testament?
  
  3: Where is it written in scripture that God removed continuos atonement (Yom Kippur) by the sacrifice of Christ?
  

#1. yom kippur was dealing with the day of atonement under the old covenant found in Leviticus 16; 23:26-32; and Numbers 29:7-11

#2. the day of atonement was to be done in the 7th month on the 10th day of that month being Tishri on the Jewish calendar and it was during--September/October. This was a once a year an annual atonement day to make atonement for the sins of the priests, the sins of the people and also for the tabernacle or temple.

#3. You can find in Hebrews 9 where the day of atonement found it's ultimate fulfillment in Christ's death and crucifixion on the cross. As the day of atonement in the old testament laws that the levitical priesthood had to follow was only a picture and foreshadow that pointed us to the redeeming work of Christ Jesus and out of all the old testament types given to us there was none in my opinion that more adequately represented to us the redeeming work of Jesus that the day of atonement. As the whole burnt offering was to propitiate for sins in general and to show complete dedication and seperation unto God. And Christ certainly showed His complete dedication to the will of God the Father both on the part of God and on the part of the believers. Read

Matthew 26:39-44

Mark 14:36

Luke 22:42

Philippians 2:5-11

Romans 12:1-2

Hebrews 13:15

Hebrews 10:10--"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."

As the levitical offerings of the priesthood under the first covenant according to Hebrews chapter 9 were only temporary offering to be offered up on a continual basis until the time of Christ as He became sin for us who knew no sin and offered himself once on the cross only to atone for the sins of mankind and it is through Christ shed blood that those who are lost in sin can be made clean and holy in the sight of God. As the second covenant makes us righteous within as God took our stoney heart out cutting away the foreskins of our hearts and giving us a heart of flesh to feel after Him. (Romans 2:28-29) As the blood of the bulls and goats could not make them righteous within as they still had knowledge of their sins and a guilty conscious before God because the blood of the bulls and goats couldn't change their hearts it only gave temporary relief one time a year if God accepted the sacrifice then they was forgiven.

But there was no law that was given that could bring the righteousness of God under the old covenant. For it came only in the second covenant the new testament as Christ gave Himself once on the cross doing away with the levitical sacrificial offerings under the old covenant as Christ payed the ransom price for many. As it comes through the faith of Abraham that was made by promise. The law of faith in the blood of Jesus as Christ had only go to the cross once and suffer the shame and agony as He took the sins of mankind upon Himself thus Christ was the propitiaiton for sin the sacrifice the only sacrifice that was perfect and that would finally appease the wrath of God so that we could be reconciled in our relationship with Christ. Which is a continual walk daily and not a fly by night relationship as we are to present ourselves to God as a living sacrifice holy and acceptable to God which is our "reasonable service" and rightfully so in light of what Christ did on our behalf as Christ is our example of following the will of God which is the word of God and his commandments. As Jesus said if you love me then you will keep my commandments as Jesus fulfilled the law of the first covenant for without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins as Christ made us the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. What the first covenant could not ever do but could only point us unto Christ who was the yom kippur the atoning sacrifice as Christ came as he was the promised seed of Abraham that would be born and Christ thus fulfilled the law doing away with the levitical priesthood and the sacrificial and ceremonial system of the levitical priesthood and Christ is now our high priest.

OC

So in other words...Salvation based on works and not faith.

I think the point is clear, the moment you begin to determine that works justifies your faith, then you have now placed yourself under the Law. "Fly by Night" is for unbelievers...not believers. Following the position that a Christian believer can lose their salvation is following in the footsteps of Cain and attempting to define one's terms for atonement, the reason why God refused Cains sin offering, only a sin offering of blood was acceptable to God, anyone who believes that their works justifies their faith and ultimately defines their righteousness, walks in the footsteps of Cain, trying to set their own conditions for atonement before God.

In Christ

CJ

C.J.

I'm sorry to be so bold, but I think your statement is rediculus.

We are still under the law....just not the penalty of the law if we confess, ask forgiveness, and repent....

we still have to do it Gods way....

Cains offering wasn't accepted because he did it his own way.

If you keep the commandments, you are obeying God (his way)

If you don't, then you are rebelling...and that is what got Satan into trouble.

The works that demonstrates your faith is repentence and obeying God, not doing all kinds of good stuff to earn your way in.

[Openly Curious]

Do you mean RITE of atonement? Because it is not a right.

Thats not what I meant, I'll re-phrase the last question to avoid confusion.

3 questions...

• 1: What was Yom Kippur for? (Google it if you are unfamiliar)
  
  2: Why did God allow for the atonement of sin (Yom Kippur) consistently throughout the Old Testament?
  
  3: Where is it written in scripture that God removed continuos atonement (Yom Kippur) by the sacrifice of Christ?
  

#1. yom kippur was dealing with the day of atonement under the old covenant found in Leviticus 16; 23:26-32; and Numbers 29:7-11

#2. the day of atonement was to be done in the 7th month on the 10th day of that month being Tishri on the Jewish calendar and it was during--September/October. This was a once a year an annual atonement day to make atonement for the sins of the priests, the sins of the people and also for the tabernacle or temple.

#3. You can find in Hebrews 9 where the day of atonement found it's ultimate fulfillment in Christ's death and crucifixion on the cross. As the day of atonement in the old testament laws that the levitical priesthood had to follow was only a picture and foreshadow that pointed us to the redeeming work of Christ Jesus and out of all the old testament types given to us there was none in my opinion that more adequately represented to us the redeeming work of Jesus that the day of atonement. As the whole burnt offering was to propitiate for sins in general and to show complete dedication and seperation unto God. And Christ certainly showed His complete dedication to the will of God the Father both on the part of God and on the part of the believers. Read

Matthew 26:39-44

Mark 14:36

Luke 22:42

Philippians 2:5-11

Romans 12:1-2

Hebrews 13:15

Hebrews 10:10--"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."

As the levitical offerings of the priesthood under the first covenant according to Hebrews chapter 9 were only temporary offering to be offered up on a continual basis until the time of Christ as He became sin for us who knew no sin and offered himself once on the cross only to atone for the sins of mankind and it is through Christ shed blood that those who are lost in sin can be made clean and holy in the sight of God. As the second covenant makes us righteous within as God took our stoney heart out cutting away the foreskins of our hearts and giving us a heart of flesh to feel after Him. (Romans 2:28-29) As the blood of the bulls and goats could not make them righteous within as they still had knowledge of their sins and a guilty conscious before God because the blood of the bulls and goats couldn't change their hearts it only gave temporary relief one time a year if God accepted the sacrifice then they was forgiven.

But there was no law that was given that could bring the righteousness of God under the old covenant. For it came only in the second covenant the new testament as Christ gave Himself once on the cross doing away with the levitical sacrificial offerings under the old covenant as Christ payed the ransom price for many. As it comes through the faith of Abraham that was made by promise. The law of faith in the blood of Jesus as Christ had only go to the cross once and suffer the shame and agony as He took the sins of mankind upon Himself thus Christ was the propitiaiton for sin the sacrifice the only sacrifice that was perfect and that would finally appease the wrath of God so that we could be reconciled in our relationship with Christ. Which is a continual walk daily and not a fly by night relationship as we are to present ourselves to God as a living sacrifice holy and acceptable to God which is our "reasonable service" and rightfully so in light of what Christ did on our behalf as Christ is our example of following the will of God which is the word of God and his commandments. As Jesus said if you love me then you will keep my commandments as Jesus fulfilled the law of the first covenant for without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins as Christ made us the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. What the first covenant could not ever do but could only point us unto Christ who was the yom kippur the atoning sacrifice as Christ came as he was the promised seed of Abraham that would be born and Christ thus fulfilled the law doing away with the levitical priesthood and the sacrificial and ceremonial system of the levitical priesthood and Christ is now our high priest.

OC

So in other words...Salvation based on works and not faith.

I think the point is clear, the moment you begin to determine that works justifies your faith, then you have now placed yourself under the Law. "Fly by Night" is for unbelievers...not believers. Following the position that a Christian believer can lose their salvation is following in the footsteps of Cain and attempting to define one's terms for atonement, the reason why God refused Cains sin offering, only a sin offering of blood was acceptable to God, anyone who believes that their works justifies their faith and ultimately defines their righteousness, walks in the footsteps of Cain, trying to set their own conditions for atonement before God.

In Christ

CJ

No I never said salvation based on works and not faith.

Under the old covenant they had to be circumcised which was a work of the flesh as they literally by law had to take a knife and cut the foreskin or the flesh away on the eighth day that was a work of the law by faith they obeyed. But obeying that law could not bring righteous by law as keeping none of the laws could do that because righteousness only came through one that was promised to come and not by the law.

Under the new covenant it is not by works that one can do outwardly to become seperated unto God because once again righteouness does not come through the law.

But according to Romans 2:28,29 it was the work of Christ as the foreskin of our hearts was taken away and a new heart was given to us. That was the work of Christ and not man. As now circumicision nor uncircumcision availeth anything but a new creature. For it it the precious blood only that makes us clean the work of the cross as we are saved through faith by grace and not of the works of the law lest any man should boast.

For righteosness could not come through the law as there was no law given under the old covenant whereby one could obey and do and follow that would make one righteous "NONE" for righteousness did not come through the keeping of the law thus the old covenant law was of no effect not perfect. Because it righteousness came by faith only and that is why Christ was sent into the world to fulfill the law in what the law could not do Christ did and righteousness still comes by faith in the finished work on the cross and not through the works of the old covenant laws of the levitical priesthood or circumcision or the offering up of the bulls and goats for none of those works makes one righteous.

We are made the righteousness in Christ Jesus as he makes us a new creature 2 Corinthians 5:17 and changes us within.

Read Colossians 2:9-17

I especially like verse # 12 the last part of the verse says, " the faith of the operation of God" which clearly shows it was the work of God's own hands and that not of man's hands. But we have to believe in that finished work on the cross and allow the Lord to move and work in our hearts by faith. For Abraham believed God and is was imputed to him as righteousness and Abraham was made righteous before the law even came into effect. As it is still by faith that one believes unto salvation and the blood atones for our sins as we are made righteous by the work of God through faith not of works lest any man should boast.

As none of us can ever point to a specific command it the old or new covenant and say this commandment and law by obeying and keeping it can make me righteous. As it only comes through the law of faith in the blessed son of the living God only. And after our conscious has been sprinkled and our sins are washed away it is then we have a conscious and heart toward the things of God and want to serve and keep his commandments willingly out of love and gratitude as the laws are written on the tablets of our hearts no longer in stone but fleshly tablets of our hearts.

If you think that what I have said is salvation by works think again as you don't have knowledge of the word.

OC