Do You Believe in "Once Saved, Always Saved"

[apothanein kerdos]

Works reflect faith. If we do not nurture ourselves by following after Christ in obedience, then our faith becomes sick and can starve to death. Works reflect that, but it is not about works.

So...faith reflects our works....but our works affect our faith? Again, you can't escape this view without going back to a works based salvation.

[Floatingaxe]

Works reflect faith. If we do not nurture ourselves by following after Christ in obedience, then our faith becomes sick and can starve to death. Works reflect that, but it is not about works.

So...faith reflects our works....but our works affect our faith? Again, you can't escape this view without going back to a works based salvation.

I will never say that---you are reading into it. Works reflect our faith and trust in the Saviour.

[Gerioke]

Matthew 18: 21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

If we truly repent, then our sins will not hinder our salvation. I believe it is all about maintaining a relationship with God.

We are truly saved or we never were.

[Eliyahuw]

Man if thats your idea on what our lives are about, i am glad i don't serve your God. My God expects me to go about the fathers work, not sit around and conjure up some sin that might send a soul to hell. I am not worried about sins as they were paid for, all i have to do is avoid sin, and quite frankly, their all listed so I don't have to learn new ones.

What a miserable life that is having to live in fear 24 x 7 x 365 days all your life worrying about losing your salvation.

Life of a christian is not about misery! Jesus came to free us from misery!

Usually people make conclusions or statements like this when they really don't know what their bible is all about. The purpose of the bible is to teach us of our sins and how to avoid them. WOW, what a concept. People would know this if they actually studied and understood the bible.

Interesting, and I must assume by your post that you think i don't study. You apparantly know my comings and goings!

The purpose of the bible is nothing more than to present truth in which we weigh our daily lives against.

And I reiterate that Christ according to the bible, did not come to make our lives miserable! He came to give us freedom.

Churches have declared that christians are supposed to be miserable, and I for one do not recognize the authority of any Church over the christian. Jesus christ is the only authority over christians.

We answer directly to him not some church that thinks were not suffering enough.

[Eliyahuw]

If you fall out of fellowship with God, and abandon relationship with Him, He cannot fulfill His will in you to complete His plan for you. You need to be a participant.

So we're more powerful than God and our works save us.

Sweetheart! It is not about works...it is about obedience.

If I violate a commandment, and lose my salvation, then my works negated my salvation.

Then by your own admission Jesus christ and God are not able to save us or keep us secure.

[Eliyahuw]

People who were once believers, though weak in faith, who become apostatic, and partake in the sins that separate from the kingdom, will indeed become separate from the kingdom. Violation of a commandment does not separate, unless it is done with an unrepentant heart and in purposeful repitition. It's called betrayal. Judas did it.

Which means, if we don't keep the commandments on a consistent basis, i.e. continue to work, then we will lose our salvation. Ergo, our salvation is not dependent upon our faith, but instead upon our works. No matter how you try to word it, it will always come back to this point. If continually sinning causes our salvation to be void, then our salvation is dependent upon our works.

What if you simply lost your faith then?

How does one lose that which does not belong to him?

Who said it doesn't belong to that person? Faith cometh byhearing, and hearing by the word of God. When a person hears, that becomes theirs. It is freely given to them and becomes their personal belonging/property.

[Lost_and_Confused!]

No I dont believe once saved always saved. Heck I dont even know if you truly can be saved. But once saved always saved is a baptist doctrine.

[spiritman]

People who were once believers, though weak in faith, who become apostatic, and partake in the sins that separate from the kingdom, will indeed become separate from the kingdom. Violation of a commandment does not separate, unless it is done with an unrepentant heart and in purposeful repitition. It's called betrayal. Judas did it.

Which means, if we don't keep the commandments on a consistent basis, i.e. continue to work, then we will lose our salvation. Ergo, our salvation is not dependent upon our faith, but instead upon our works. No matter how you try to word it, it will always come back to this point. If continually sinning causes our salvation to be void, then our salvation is dependent upon our works.

apothanein,

If you have 1st of all faith, then you will automaticaly do the good works, out of a good heart; they are intertwined. kinda like breathing without thinking about it. You will want to do the good works ,it will give you a great since of joy to do good for others, knowing that you are pleasing the father. Pleasing the Christ will be your first prioity .if you don't really believe you will sin on a consistant basis. because you don't fear God enough to obey His commandments. And your top prioity is not pleasing the father but pleasing the lusts of the flesh.

If this is your condition Repent ( which means knowing that you are a sinner, and that you don't deserve heaven; ask forgiveness, then ask the Lord to take away your sin) For the scriptures says ( Greater is He that is within me then He that is in the world; resist the devil and he will flee). another scripture says ( It is not His will(Gods) that any will perish).

After you ask forgiveness of the sin your involved in, stay away from anything that temps you to sin again, pray, read your word, worship Him, give him thanks.

Then the Lord will work in you to actually change the areas that need changing; this is where sanctification comes in; we can't do it ( Change our carnal mind) ie dirty thoughts, evil desires, bad habits. The Holy Spirit has to change these. And yes sometimes you will slip up (sin) all christians do. it is the waring of our flesh against the spirit. but after this happens turn and repent right away, and God will forgive you.

God Bless

Bob

[Eliyahuw]

If you fall out of fellowship with God, and abandon relationship with Him, He cannot fulfill His will in you to complete His plan for you. You need to be a participant.

So we're more powerful than God and our works save us.

Sweetheart! It is not about works...it is about obedience.

This is what people are not understanding. Our works is our obedience. Everytime I obey something in the bible it is a work.

The bible speaks of good works and bad works. Here are the bad works -

Galatians 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

These works will send us to hell.

The good works are our obedience to obstain, repent, and not give into temptation to these.

On judgement day we will be judged by our works. Did I live my life doing good works or bad works?

Revelation 20:12-13 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

If your standing in front of the Great white throne judgement, then works are the least of your concern.

this is day of judgment of the dead. They will be judged and cast into hell

[Floatingaxe]

I am not going to stand before the Great White Throne Judgment. I am going to stand before God at the Bema Seat! My works for Christ will be noted there.