Do you REALLY KNOW why?

[TheProcess]

Don't fret, brothers in Christ. Non-believers dispute everything. It's never going to stop...only the Holy Spirit can infiltrate hard hearts.

Remember Matthew 7:6

Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

Jesus said it for a reason. State your case and move on.

Don't you just love Christians?

It seems SoulGrind wants to use FORGERY as evidence, and if I object to this then apparently I am "swine". Well what do you want from me? That I should simply accept everything that I am told by Christians, no matter how dubious? How arrogant an attitude is that?

[Joshua-777]

That was a nice read, Very true, very true. If you look at the whole concept though, it's all about love. We know the true love in Christ, and we want to spread it. One thing I've realized that really cuts me, is seeing someone blind and hurting others, as well as themself, at first this was a stumbling block for me, and bitterness in my heart. I had to realize that they can't see past the carnal mind. They have never felt the presence of God, and they still think that Christianity is a religion, when it's not, it's a deep intimate personal relationship. Yes if they denie Jesus and go their own way, salvation is not theirs, and I wish all to be saved. Now, one thing about Jesus that it's important to make clear, is that It's a Relationship with a living God, he works in our lives, hearts and minds every day. This is somthing that they cant comprehend, but curiosity often strikes.

[khalou]

That was a nice read, Very true, very true. If you look at the whole concept though, it's all about love. We know the true love in Christ, and we want to spread it. One thing I've realized that really cuts me, is seeing someone blind and hurting others, as well as themself, at first this was a stumbling block for me, and bitterness in my heart. I had to realize that they can't see past the carnal mind. They have never felt the presence of God, and they still think that Christianity is a religion, when it's not, it's a deep intimate personal relationship. Yes if they denie Jesus and go their own way, salvation is not theirs, and I wish all to be saved. Now, one thing about Jesus that it's important to make clear, is that It's a Relationship with a living God, he works in our lives, hearts and minds every day. This is somthing that they cant comprehend, but curiosity often strikes.

Speaking as a person who was a Christian for over four decades, I must disagree.

I have felt the presence of God. I, as each and every other believer in the supernatural, have personal experience with that. The only way I could possibly maintain that faith would be to ignore evidences that show that the current Christian belief can't be right.

Instead of adapting to those evidences, I am assaulted by arguments that have nothing to do with those evidences. Ignorance of what has been discovered is, instead, held in higher regard than evidence!

I still maintain that Christianity could be true, but only because there are learned people who understand all the evidence against and still believe.

But I don't find them on this board. Why is that? Why do Christians who actually understand the arguments against stay away from this board like the plague?

Could it be that they understand that this board is all about "feel good" garbage that doesn't in any way deal with the facts? Could it be that Jesus Himself wouldn't want anything to do with people that basically prove that Christianity can't be true because Christians don't have any idea what the evidence is?

Could it be that the Anti-Christ will eventually use these people to claim authority?

I don't know, and can't pretend to know, but there is something fundamentally wrong with people who won't investigate what has been discovered, all under the guise of "faith".

k

[khalou]

That was a nice read, Very true, very true. If you look at the whole concept though, it's all about love. We know the true love in Christ, and we want to spread it. One thing I've realized that really cuts me, is seeing someone blind and hurting others, as well as themself, at first this was a stumbling block for me, and bitterness in my heart. I had to realize that they can't see past the carnal mind. They have never felt the presence of God, and they still think that Christianity is a religion, when it's not, it's a deep intimate personal relationship. Yes if they denie Jesus and go their own way, salvation is not theirs, and I wish all to be saved. Now, one thing about Jesus that it's important to make clear, is that It's a Relationship with a living God, he works in our lives, hearts and minds every day. This is somthing that they cant comprehend, but curiosity often strikes.

Speaking as a person who was a Christian for over four decades, I must disagree.

I have felt the presence of God. I, as each and every other believer in the supernatural, have personal experience with that. The only way I could possibly maintain that faith would be to ignore evidences that show that the current Christian belief can't be right.

Instead of adapting to those evidences, I am assaulted by arguments that have nothing to do with those evidences. Ignorance of what has been discovered is, instead, held in higher regard than evidence!

I still maintain that Christianity could be true, but only because there are learned people who understand all the evidence against and still believe.

But I don't find them on this board. Why is that? Why do Christians who actually understand the arguments against stay away from this board like the plague?

Could it be that they understand that this board is all about "feel good" garbage that doesn't in any way deal with the facts? Could it be that Jesus Himself wouldn't want anything to do with people that basically prove that Christianity can't be true because Christians don't have any idea what the evidence is?

Could it be that the Anti-Christ will eventually use these people to claim authority?

I don't know, and can't pretend to know, but there is something fundamentally wrong with people who won't investigate what has been discovered, all under the guise of "faith".

k

I am a believer in Christ Jesus.

I think I am understanding this correctly

[eric]

Khalou said,

Ah.

So the definition of Christian Apologetics is 'because I believe it".

I thought so.

k

Is that the best you can do? You look down on those who have the audacity to believe? Just because you are a backslider. and it took you four decades to find evidence to prove that the current christian belief can't be right ( your own words ) are we all supposed to do a little soul searching to see if you know more than christians, simply because you don't believe

Well I believe too, mate, and you nor anyone else couldn't provide enough evidence to shake my belief. Your post is about as shallow as your faith.

[SoulGrind]

Don't fret, brothers in Christ. Non-believers dispute everything. It's never going to stop...only the Holy Spirit can infiltrate hard hearts.

Remember Matthew 7:6

Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

Jesus said it for a reason. State your case and move on.

Don't you just love Christians?

It seems SoulGrind wants to use FORGERY as evidence, and if I object to this then apparently I am "swine". Well what do you want from me? That I should simply accept everything that I am told by Christians, no matter how dubious? How arrogant an attitude is that?

PROVE that it is forgery - I have yet to hear one piece of evidence - just some nonsense about "I know, beause I know." That's not evidence, that's opinion - and not even a good one at that.

[TheProcess]

PROVE that it is forgery - I have yet to hear one piece of evidence

Dr. Lardner, one of the ablest defenders of Christianity, adduces the following arguments against its genuineness:

[TheProcess]

PROVE that it is forgery - I have yet to hear one piece of evidence - just some nonsense about "I know, beause I know." That's not evidence, that's opinion - and not even a good one at that.

You seem to be telling lies about me, or talking rubbish at least.

I ask that you produce a quote from me where I say those words, or something like them. Where did I use the argument, "I know, because I know"?

[SoulGrind]

PROVE that it is forgery - I have yet to hear one piece of evidence - just some nonsense about "I know, beause I know." That's not evidence, that's opinion - and not even a good one at that.

You seem to be telling lies about me, or talking rubbish at least.

I ask that you produce a quote from me where I say those words, or something like them. Where did I use the argument, "I know, because I know"?

Telling a lie would invite the notion that I stated something about you that is untrue - I did no such thing.

I never stated that "you" use the argument 'I know because I know', and I do appologize if you took it that way.

If you re-read what I stated, I said:

I have yet to hear one piece of evidence - just some nonsense about "I know, beause I know."

That is a general statement.

However, in light of the fact that you stated it was a forgery without providing proof at that time does not bode well for credibility.

When you state something like "It's a forgery" - you are stating something as if you have knowledge of such a thing. Therefore, to be taken seriously, I highly recommend that you qualify your statements in a manner that produces evidence (which I see you finally did in one of your latest posts). To do this, a statement similar to the following is helpful:

EXAMPLE:

"I know something is a forgery BECAUSE... Proof A, Proof B, etc.etc. - ref to Proof A, ref to Proof B."

For more information, do a google search on writing essays in the MLA Format - not only will you structure your arguments more succinctly, but they will carry more weight and provide you with a stronger position and establish your credibility.

Just trying to be helpful here - not condemning or bashing.

And if you don't believe me, feel free to discuss such things with any High School or Entry-Level College English instructor.

Best regards,

Edited October 23, 2006 by SoulGrind

[redeemed098]

No offense, but this must be the 20th time I've heard that speech.

On the day of Judgement the judge will remind you of those words...Be assured...!

Regards,

Ben.

Nice one, Ben

1 sentence promptly undermines the whole spirit of Soulgrind's post.

God will be wagging his finger at you too, probably for that post.

Really..? please tell me what part of that statement is not scripturally true...

And if it is truth according to scripture, then for what reason do you chastise me...?

Interested to know..

You joke about God wagging his finger..Theres nothing remotely funny about that...A mans salvation is the single most important issue he has to deal with in this life. Mock it if you will, but dont point the finger at one who speaks the truth according to scripture..The truth of the gospel of Christ is simple.

"Unless a man repents he shall perish." "Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand." I think you will find Soulgrind and myself in agreement on this.

Do you want ALL of the Truth or just part of it. Shall I deny you part of the gospel in order to guard you from feeling offended....? Or should I do all I can to make the truth known. Dont I owe that to you if I truly do hold the message of truth that can save your eternal soul...Or would you rather I keep quiet and let you perish..?

I suggest you stop laughing....Your salvation is NOT a laughing matter. Even if you think it trivial and unimportant, there is more at stake here than you realise.

Regards,

Ben.