Charles Darwin book

[Pizzaguy]

The fact that there are extinctions proves natural selection, in its most basic premise anyway.

Evolution however, is another matter entirely.

[KeilanS]

I think the whole evolution theory is hogwash. One day nothing got so condensed that it exploded. Then it generated rain clouds and it rained on rocks which became soup which gave birth to single cell organisms which evolved into us... ya... and they say Christianity sounds crazy.

[apothanein kerdos]

I think the whole evolution theory is hogwash. One day nothing got so condensed that it exploded. Then it generated rain clouds and it rained on rocks which became soup which gave birth to single cell organisms which evolved into us... ya... and they say Christianity sounds crazy.

It is true that naturalistic evolution (evolution without God) really doesn't make any sense.

I would ask though, from a cosmology standpoint and to make you think, is the Big Bang impossible if God were to cause it?

[Joshua-777]

Now lets look at genesis 1

Genesis 1

The History of Creation

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

3 Then God said,

[georgesbluegirl]

It is true that naturalistic evolution (evolution without God) really doesn't make any sense.

From a strictly logical standpoint, I don't see any problems. Would you care to elaborate? Do you mean the origination of species or the actual starting point for life?

[KeilanS]

I think the whole evolution theory is hogwash. One day nothing got so condensed that it exploded. Then it generated rain clouds and it rained on rocks which became soup which gave birth to single cell organisms which evolved into us... ya... and they say Christianity sounds crazy.

It is true that naturalistic evolution (evolution without God) really doesn't make any sense.

I would ask though, from a cosmology standpoint and to make you think, is the Big Bang impossible if God were to cause it?

Of course not AK Nothing is impossible with God, however, God would be taking just as much of a hand in that as He did in the seven-day creation theory. First He would need to cause the explosion (because nothing can't just explode), then He would need to cause the rain. Then He would need to orchestrate the rain forming the primordial soup, which then formed all life under His guidance. Impossible? No. But certainly no easier to believe then the creation theory.

[KeilanS]

It is true that naturalistic evolution (evolution without God) really doesn't make any sense.

From a strictly logical standpoint, I don't see any problems. Would you care to elaborate? Do you mean the origination of species or the actual starting point for life?

I am not AK, but he said that in response to my post, so I'll give you my view on it, haha.

I think it is illogical because of it's idea for the starting point of life. Basically nothingness exploding, followed by the primordial soup giving birth to all life. I think it's impossible without a supreme creator guiding it (if nothing randomly exploded... well things could get a little bit scary)

[apothanein kerdos]

It is true that naturalistic evolution (evolution without God) really doesn't make any sense.

From a strictly logical standpoint, I don't see any problems. Would you care to elaborate? Do you mean the origination of species or the actual starting point for life?

I ask this in all seriousness - are you a Christian? How can you have no problems with naturalistic evolution (which denies the existence of God, or that He is useless) and at the same time believe in God? This makes no sense at all. The two are mutually exclusive.

The reason that naturalistic evolution doesn't make sense is first on a metaphysical basis - how can something come from nothing? In a purely physical world, which naturalism claims, matter and energy cannot create itself ex nihilo. Even Aristotle used this line of thinking with his "unmovable mover" in Metaphysics. Secondly, there is no evidence of species being able to progress due to natural selection. Natural selection has shown that it can kill off species but has not shown it can actually aid in the growth of species. There would have to be some intelligent designer moving evolution along if it were to work.

[apothanein kerdos]

I think the whole evolution theory is hogwash. One day nothing got so condensed that it exploded. Then it generated rain clouds and it rained on rocks which became soup which gave birth to single cell organisms which evolved into us... ya... and they say Christianity sounds crazy.

It is true that naturalistic evolution (evolution without God) really doesn't make any sense.

I would ask though, from a cosmology standpoint and to make you think, is the Big Bang impossible if God were to cause it?

Of course not AK Nothing is impossible with God, however, God would be taking just as much of a hand in that as He did in the seven-day creation theory. First He would need to cause the explosion (because nothing can't just explode), then He would need to cause the rain. Then He would need to orchestrate the rain forming the primordial soup, which then formed all life under His guidance. Impossible? No. But certainly no easier to believe then the creation theory.

Right, and that's the point I'm getting at - both theories require that God was involved every step of the way. To me, this is the bigger point to prove. The 6 day creation debate can happen another day when everyone agrees that God caused it all...when this is finally proven beyond a doubt and believed we can then enter into an internal debate on the issue.

[CallMeBernard]

I ask this in all seriousness - are you a Christian? How can you have no problems with naturalistic evolution (which denies the existence of God, or that He is useless) and at the same time believe in God? This makes no sense at all. The two are mutually exclusive.

It is possible to believe in both God and evolution.

It is possible to believe in both God and the Big Bang.

It is not possible to believe in God and that these things just happened without His authority & power.