Ecumenical Harlotry

[Guest Jude 1:3]

"Is there anything more dangerous to the doctrinal purity of the Church than ecumenicalism? I think not. Just as Israel committed spiritual fornication with heathen nations, so are we committing spiritual fornication with apostate churches. I believe the ecumenical movement is abominable in the sight of God, and true believers will pay the price for it. Get ready for another 1300 years of Babylonian captivity........."

I agree, ----- what you say is absolutely true, ---- but true believers will never be paying for it. They will get out of this unity, and they will not be part of it.

True Christian unity requires oneness of mind, and this is a very narrow basis of unity. True Christian unity is not "unity in diversity".

When the Lord Jesus said "Father, I pray that they may all be one," He spoke of this kind of unity. The finishing of His sentence proves it: ....."as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us.."

We know that the Father and the Son always were in perfect unity, and the basis of Their unity is truth.

No price?

Christians were subject to 1300 years of absolute terror, persecution and oppression due to the spread of heresy and acceptance of such. Millions of Bible-believing Christians were executed during the Roman inquisitions. That was the babylonian captivity of the Church. We agree true Christians will not be a part of it, but that won't stop the sodomites and other God-haters from killing us.

Edited November 4, 2006 by Jude 1:3

[ayin jade]

Jesus said we would be known by our fruit and by our love. Phelps shows hatred, and bad fruit. I think Phelps needs to check his heart and see what salvation is all about.

That said, the Lord is quite clear that homosexuality is a sin. A pastor should not be in such blatant unrepentent sin and remain a pastor.

[Guest Jude 1:3]

Ok this is not saying I agree with homsexual behavior but there are many gay preachers/pastors and the like with more love in there heart then some of these so called wholesom hetro conterparts I mean just look at "pastor" fred phelps and the Loonies at WBC I would sooner go to an all gay congregation church before I would listen to such hate mongers.

Fred Phelps is a living parody. He was a liberal Democrat (and claimed to be such as recently as the late 90s), supporter of Al Gore, turned religious extremist. He is not a Christian. His cult believes they're the only people going to heaven... boy are they in for a big surprise.

Also, there is nothing 'gay' about homosexuality, and the love-gospel will lead millions of people to hell.

[jackie d]

I think that what we are seeing that causes the problem are the words unity and tolerance...Christ's definition of unity verses man's definition. Unity, to many really, is saying that we are all to put aside our foundational beliefs and become tolerant. If we become tolerant of certain things such as homosexuality then we reach unity, because once we begin to bend in one area then all others WILL follow...coming into one mindedness with the world creating the ability to form one world religion.

Isn't this truly the foundation of the ecumenical movement, the author of this thread was speaking of? To break down the foundation of Christ's Church, to take words that Christ used and turn them into an agenda? To use unity against us because we refuse to bend. And to show us how intolerant we are by not being loving enough to accept all human beings in their abominable sin, as they are.

I think if we took a look at these ecumenical movements we would find they are stating there is not enough love coming from us unyielding Christians, we would find they use those words unity and tolerance against us every time. They may not use those exact words to describe us but the picture is clearly painted to be saying just that.

blessings

Edited November 4, 2006 by jackie d

[Guest Jude 1:3]

"Love" according to the ecumenicalist means no repentance necessary, do whatever you want, and God will yet save you, because He is too "loving" to damn anyone to hell. Their liberal love-gospel is a terrible perversion of the truth. Why do they suppose Christ preached so often on the subject of hell? In fact, I think Christ spoke more of hell than He did of Heaven.

[Guest Jude 1:3]

And let it be known I am guilty of extreme ecumenical fornication in my past. I nearly even joined the LDS Cult, due to my open religious dialogue with Mormon missionaries. Of this I have repented and vowed to never do again. Ecumenicalism is my stumbling block, as are cults, and this is why I now condemn both heresies; for I do not wish that any other person would stumble as I did.

[Smalcald]

Well, there are two kinds of Ecumenicalism.

There is a broader version that seeks worldwide religious unity across all religious boundaries. It is promotes unity among Christians, Ba'hai, Buddhism, etc.

There is a more narrow definition which refers to unity among Christians across denominational lines. The problem is that it is not a "unity" that really appreciates and allows for diversity. It is really the belief that there should be ONE Christian faith, and in order to accomplish this, someone has to sacrifice their convictions for the sake of unity. In other words, you believe what it is necessary to believe for the sake of "unity, " not necessarily because it is true, or biblical.

I see nothing wrong with reaching across denominational boundaries in genuine Christian love, and working together for Christ; however the "unity" suggested by the Ecumenical movement (and other groups) is not genuine unity. It amounts to conformity of thought. I honestly hate having "unity" shoved down our throats, because the motives for this "unity" are usually questionable. "Unity" is not the product of "cookie cutter" Christians who all think alike. Biblical unity is the ability to come together despite our differences and work together in the Kingdom for the things that really matter. Biblical unity is not the absence of the diversity.

ahh got ya.

I was thinking of the narrow definition as something which is a good thing in my opinion.

I am sometimes cynical. But from what I have seen, the gloss of broader ecumenicalism has simply been an excuse for denominations which are slowly shrinking to share resources and in a way is simply done for economic convenience sake. Also when you lose your core beliefs, it becomes easier to simply accept anything, "why not it

[jackie d]

"Love" according to the ecumenicalist means no repentance necessary, do whatever you want, and God will yet save you, because He is too "loving" to damn anyone to hell. Their liberal love-gospel is a terrible perversion of the truth. Why do they suppose Christ preached so often on the subject of hell? In fact, I think Christ spoke more of hell than He did of Heaven.

ya..that's what I'm talking about. there is vast differences in how certain words are used to gain advantage...it is twisted..

[graymousey]

"Is there anything more dangerous to the doctrinal purity of the Church than ecumenicalism? I think not. Just as Israel committed spiritual fornication with heathen nations, so are we committing spiritual fornication with apostate churches. I believe the ecumenical movement is abominable in the sight of God, and true believers will pay the price for it. Get ready for another 1300 years of Babylonian captivity........."

I agree, ----- what you say is absolutely true, ---- but true believers will never be paying for it. They will get out of this unity, and they will not be part of it.

True Christian unity requires oneness of mind, and this is a very narrow basis of unity. True Christian unity is not "unity in diversity".

When the Lord Jesus said "Father, I pray that they may all be one," He spoke of this kind of unity. The finishing of His sentence proves it: ....."as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us.."

We know that the Father and the Son always were in perfect unity, and the basis of Their unity is truth.

No price?

Christians were subject to 1300 years of absolute terror, persecution and oppression due to the spread of heresy and acceptance of such. Millions of Bible-believing Christians were executed during the Roman inquisitions. That was the babylonian captivity of the Church. We agree true Christians will not be a part of it, but that won't stop the sodomites and other God-haters from killing us.

Yes, I know that, but it had to be that way. The Lord Jesus said that it will be so.

As bad as it may sound, persecution is good for the Church. I came from behind the Iron Curtain, (when it was still standing) and I know that the persecuted Church is much nearer to God, and they are much more serious about walking with Christ. They are in true fellowship with each other, and they mean business with the Lord, regardless of the fact that sometimes their lives and livelihood are in danger for that.

When all is well, we often become lukewarm.

The Ecumenical movement is the devil's doing, but it will sort people out.

[darski]

In my little pea brain, I believe that we have a de facto unity in Christ. We are sealed and God knows which sheep are His.

That being said, good men have been known to differ in many truths and interpretations thereof.

The Ecumenical movement always walks away from clear truth.

ecumenical Christians are willing to meet and discuss differences without requiring the other to forgo belief.