Evangelical leader resigns over sex scandal

[eagleswings]

I find it all very heartbreaking... and all i can do is fall upon my knees and cry to the Lord.... why are you all on here at each others throats..... SHAME!!!!!!!!!!! Shame on You in the Name of Jesus......

[billie]

I find it all very heartbreaking... and all i can do is fall upon my knees and cry to the Lord.... why are you all on here at each others throats..... SHAME!!!!!!!!!!! Shame on You in the Name of Jesus......

Amen!

[billie]

Mhm.

[Guest stevej]

For years i have watched as various denominations and "TV evangelists" and the Catholic church have been hit with these scandals. The one thing that comes to mind for me, all these men called of God, have clay feet and sin just like the rest of us do.

I find no joy in anyone, much less a preacher, having immorality problems. However, i find less joy in gloating over these things. Perhaps, it might be appropriate to expose our own sin in such a manner. This would certainly give one pause for gloating.

Last, i do not disagree that false doctrine and so forth should go wihout being addressed. This is not a matter of false doctrine. More of a matter of do as i say rather than do as i do.

[billie]

[Kabowd]

I'm getting a kick out of this. Not so long ago this same line of thinking was being stated about the Catholic Church, Look at all the scandals, see how this proves that the Catholic Church is corrupt. Now when this was going on how many Pentecostals stood up for the Catholic Church? Now "they" are going after the Pentecostals. I wonder if anyone will stand up for the Pentecostals, and tell them they are being ridiculous. Ok OK I will. You are being ridiculous! Now who should we go after next, Hmmmmm how about the Baptist, they are always good targets.

Waite a minute, aren't we supposed to be the body of Christ.

God Bless us, we need it,

Kansas Dad

I hope my sarcasm was dripping off of the page. all but the last sentence!

How can you get a kick out of something tragic like this? Do you realize how many lives with be ripped apart by this scandal? The man has 5 kids for goodness sakes. We aren't supposed to rejoice when our "enemies" (as they are apparently perceived) get their "due". The appropriate response is to ache over the consequences of sin...especially for those who are completely innocent, and to pray that those who are guilty will repent and be restored to God.

If there is anything more repulsive than someone claiming the name of Christ while subsequently destroying His name by their lifestyle, it's someone claiming the name of Christ who relishes in the consequences of others. We would all do well to remember that our own sins are just as vile as the sin this man is accused of. If anyone is getting a "kick" it should be in the pants for responding in such a flippant, careless way to an event that will likely devastate many many lives.

[Kansasdad]

I'm getting a kick out of this. Not so long ago this same line of thinking was being stated about the Catholic Church, Look at all the scandals, see how this proves that the Catholic Church is corrupt. Now when this was going on how many Pentecostals stood up for the Catholic Church? Now "they" are going after the Pentecostals. I wonder if anyone will stand up for the Pentecostals, and tell them they are being ridiculous. Ok OK I will. You are being ridiculous! Now who should we go after next, Hmmmmm how about the Baptist, they are always good targets.

Waite a minute, aren't we supposed to be the body of Christ.

God Bless us, we need it,

Kansas Dad

I hope my sarcasm was dripping off of the page. all but the last sentence!

How can you get a kick out of something tragic like this? Do you realize how many lives with be ripped apart by this scandal? The man has 5 kids for goodness sakes. We aren't supposed to rejoice when our "enemies" (as they are apparently perceived) get their "due". The appropriate response is to ache over the consequences of sin...especially for those who are completely innocent, and to pray that those who are guilty will repent and be restored to God.

If there is anything more repulsive than someone claiming the name of Christ while subsequently destroying His name by their lifestyle, it's someone claiming the name of Christ who relishes in the consequences of others. We would all do well to remember that our own sins are just as vile as the sin this man is accused of. If anyone is getting a "kick" it should be in the pants for responding in such a flippant, careless way to an event that will likely devastate many many lives.

That is why I wrote the last sentence. I don't get a kick out of this at all. Sorry, sarcasm doesn't always convey in print.

I was trying to state the absurd to illustrate exactly the point you made.

God Bless,

K.D.

[billie]

And I'm sure the "Evil Left" when they started this smear campaign never knew the added bonus that would come along with this littlt nugget of news: getting all those dern conservatives fighting amongst themselves so that they're way less effective!

[Kansasdad]

I'm getting a kick out of this. Not so long ago this same line of thinking was being stated about the Catholic Church, Look at all the scandals, see how this proves that the Catholic Church is corrupt. Now when this was going on how many Pentecostals stood up for the Catholic Church? Now "they" are going after the Pentecostals. I wonder if anyone will stand up for the Pentecostals, and tell them they are being ridiculous. Ok OK I will. You are being ridiculous! Now who should we go after next, Hmmmmm how about the Baptist, they are always good targets.

Waite a minute, aren't we supposed to be the body of Christ.

God Bless us, we need it,

Kansas Dad

I hope my sarcasm was dripping off of the page. all but the last sentence!

You cannot even begin to compare the scandals of the RCC with this. In the first place, neither Haggard nor his church covered up this episode, as the RCC did for years all the way up to and including the present pope. The entire RCC heirachy knew of the pedifile priest's abuse, covered it up, and simply moved the involved priests to another parish, and allowed it to continue. And there are still people coming forward to this very day accusing catholic priests who have since fled the country, to avoid being prosecuted. Number 2, Haggard, according to his personal confession, did not engage in homosexual sex with Jones {or a child.}

I think this entire episode is nothing but a smear campaign being used by the left and the homosexual agenda to advance their cause concerning the marriage amendment, of which Haggard has taken a stand against homosexual marriage, and to smear President Bush. The left is notorious for that. When they can't find fault, they make it up. Yes, he is guilty of buying meth, by his own admission, but that is all, and it is nothing like the RCC child/priest scandal, which was and is world wide.

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I wasn't comparing this scandal to the scandals with in the Catholic Church, I was comparing the attitude of the posters, and the hypocrisy of dishing it out in one post and being offended when it comes full circle. You didn't get the whole point of my post. When Christians start tearing down other Christians and denominational bashing, satan smiles.

God Bless,

K.D.

[Leonard]

The fact in this case is that Rev. Haggard is NOT a Charismatic. His church would better be described as one of those mushy 'seeker sensitive' places!

You are correct that a disproportionate number of these cases involve Charismatic churches. The reason for that is that they are ALSO "independent" churches; unaffiliated with a denominational structure. In short, they are a 'one man show' and the Pastor has virtually unlimited power and authority to do WHATEVER HE WANTS: He owns the building, he owns the corporation, and there is no denominational headship to put him in check in any way.

If you want to check the figures out thoroughly you will probably find that 'independent churches' of any theological stripe, have a disproportional number of this sort of problem............

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It is fine that the pastor owns the building and creates a corporation out of it. You obviously don't understand the negative implications of being a traditional 501(3)