Question For Athiests

[billie]

Billie, I know this might sound like a silly question, but why does it seem more logical that God could come from nothing or always have existed, than that the universe could come from nothing or always have existed? As far as I can tell, these are both theories which would be, scientifically speaking, beyond our normal concept of phsyics to a certain extent, and both require belief in the idea that either one thing could be eternal or that something could come from nothing. So why is God more logical than the Big Bang?

Yes, scientifically speaking, science has no explanation as to where all this came from, or if it came from anything. That's a very good point.

I'm not sure if God is more logical for everyone. He's waaaaayyyyyyy more logical to me, just because of the experiences I've had with Him. That kind of thing can't be reproduced in a lab.

The point of my post was, I was being asked to "respect the logic behind" something which is totally illogical, abiogenisis. It's never happened. Scientists have tried to make it happen, and they can't. Life doesn't come from "no-life".

To go farther and say, "So the only logical conclusion is for everyone to accept that there's a God! Harrumph!" Well, I can't prove that one to anyone else, but He's proven it to me, numerous occasions.

BTW, hey, Eve!

[billie]

(PS- my apologies Billie for getting slightly off topic).

It's okay.

[sierra21]

(PS- my apologies Billie for getting slightly off topic).

It's okay.

Much love hun!

[sierra21]

Hey billie- i just noticed how many postings you have! YIKES! LOL and I've been a member for just slightly longer than you have- that's some craziness! LOL.

[billie]

Hey billie- i just noticed how many postings you have! YIKES! LOL and I've been a member for just slightly longer than you have- that's some craziness! LOL.

That's because I'm home with my pc all day, and you're a student.

[secondeve]

Hi everyone. I don't usually post in this forum (for a variety of reasons)- but this time I thought I would.

For me, I know I'm not gonna be here when y'all wake up one day to find all the Christians have disappeared. But I would imagine it would be chaotic and extremely scary. Even though you guys think you'd be all logical and understanding- you won't be. You'll be frantic to find out what happened...and once you find out what happened, you're going to want to be with us. After all...it is heaven

I am praying for all the "nonbelievers". You have no idea how amazing it is to have a relationship with Christ...and I suspect that you have thought about it since youve joined worthyboards. You care about it enough to debate it...so methinks you might just be a little curious about what it would be like to live the Christian life. And I have news for you: ITS AWESOME!

If you are thinking about changing your life...and you want to become a better person and live the life you've always dreamed of...I encourage you to learn more about Jesus. Believing in the love and sacrifice of Jesus Christ is the best thing you'll ever do...and I'm praying that today SOMEONE, ANYONE...will be curious enough to seek more knowledge. As always you can PM me and I'd be free to talk with you about anything and everything.

Blessings,

Sierra

(PS- my apologies Billie for getting slightly off topic).

Hi Sierra! From what I've seen of your posts, I think you'd be an interesting person to talk to - however, I don't know if you know, but nonbelievers have no PM-ing privileges - we did for a little while (at least, we did when I first came to Worthy) but the mods were getting concerned with the idea that we were talking to Christians unsupervised, and therefore potentially planting seeds of doubt. Or something like that. So if you're interesting in talking one on one to any of us, or if you want any of us to come talk to you, it'll have to happen either on the Boards themselves or by one or both of you providing an email address.

As for me, I like hearing from people, so mine's in my signature - I get spam anyway, so a little more can't hurt!

Billie, I know this might sound like a silly question, but why does it seem more logical that God could come from nothing or always have existed, than that the universe could come from nothing or always have existed? As far as I can tell, these are both theories which would be, scientifically speaking, beyond our normal concept of phsyics to a certain extent, and both require belief in the idea that either one thing could be eternal or that something could come from nothing. So why is God more logical than the Big Bang?

Yes, scientifically speaking, science has no explanation as to where all this came from, or if it came from anything. That's a very good point.

I'm not sure if God is more logical for everyone. He's waaaaayyyyyyy more logical to me, just because of the experiences I've had with Him. That kind of thing can't be reproduced in a lab.

The point of my post was, I was being asked to "respect the logic behind" something which is totally illogical, abiogenisis. It's never happened. Scientists have tried to make it happen, and they can't. Life doesn't come from "no-life".

To go farther and say, "So the only logical conclusion is for everyone to accept that there's a God! Harrumph!" Well, I can't prove that one to anyone else, but He's proven it to me, numerous occasions.

BTW, hey, Eve!

Hi Billie!

I hadn't seen the previous posts re ambiogensis, so sorry if my reply was out of context. Basically, I know why God is more logical to you and why the Big Bang is more logical to me - because we already believe in the respective evidence which supports these theories. Of course we're more inclined to trust in theory what we already trust as fact! I only wanted to say that when you remove both theories from other evidence or contexts or feelings (what we might already believe, the Bible, scientific research) and simply look at them as ideas for how the universe came into being, human knowledge is so limited that both opinions are equally logical. Each requires us to accept that we don't fully understand physics, and each requires us to believe that either one thing can have always existed, or that something can come from nothing, be it God or the universe. In that purely abstract sense, each theory is as likely as the other. See?

[billie]

Yes.

[secondeve]

Yes.

:thumbsup:

[Joshua-777]

hey secondeve, blessings!

[secondeve]

hey secondeve, blessings!

Hi, Josh!