Worthy News: Cloning human embryos becomes 'constitutional right&#

[Kansasdad]

This sickens me. How disgusting. And yes I agree invito fertilization is just as disgusting. My wife and I tried for 8 years to have a child. We went to a fertility Dr. Who happened to be a wonderful Christian Catholic. Invito fertilization was never a consideration. Missouri always surprises me, but unfortunately Kansas is getting just as bad.

God protect us,

Kansas Dad

I disagree with you Kansas Dad but at least you're not a hypocrit. It's the ones who get invitro then preach against using the left-overs that really infuriate me.

What you need to understand is that the very small child that these procedures kill are just as much a God given life as the adult, or larger Child in need of a cure. How can you kill one life to save another when the life being killed is totally innocent. Do the ends justify the means. Did you also know that umbilical cord stem cells have proven to be much more valuable and promising then embryonic stem cells. Why kill and innocent life when its not even necessary. It is about money, power and agenda's. It has nothing to do about actually finding a cure, that is the lie you are being told.

Please really think about this. It is a horrific lie.

God bless,

Kansas Dad

[Hypathia]

And last but not least, if cures are found against your objections, don't get them for yourself or a loved one then, pray that God call you home for your reward instead (in other words, don't be a hypocrit).

No worries...I won't ....

It is amazing how we want cures for all the diseases caused by our sinful behaviours..

and we will go to all lengths, even to the destruction of our own offspring, to heal us from it rather than to repent and ask God for our healing....

My child has a fatal disease; he's done NOTHING sinful to bring it on himself. I've got friends who've watched an 11 yr old, and two 4 yr olds die from lukemia. You think those poor babies deserved to get that?

You know what, even adults who may have brought disease on themselves deserve a break if it's available. Nobody leads a perfect life (cept for maybe you tah); everybody makes mistakes and sometimes those mistakes harm ones body. If a cure is found those people should be able to get them too along with everybody else. There's nothing wrong with helping people when you can do it.

People need to put a little more thought into what they say sometimes.

I am sorry you are experiening such sorrows...

but killing another child is not an excuse to save one..

If I have a choice to save a child at the sacrifice of another I would not choose to kill one...

God will decide who lives and who dies in my life......

You're not sorry. You dare to compare my child to a microscopic embryo who has no brain, no organs, no limbs, and no womb to grown in. These are entirely petri-dish products; there's not even a pregnancy involved. The blueprint might be there but there's no person yet; they're being thrown away on a daily baisis and never know the difference . When I have my menstrual cycle my body disposes of an egg (which is biologically a living cell too); that is not murder of a child imo; what do you think? That is in the same category as these petrie dish zygotes as far as I'm concerned.

If you think you'd watch one of your children or grandchildren die when using these left-over, thrown away embryos might save your precious kid's lives then you're very mistaken I believe. But you never know, some people let their kids die when there are treatments available now; I see it on the news from time to time.

[CSLewis]

So the question becomes what do we do with the 500,000 embryos that are frozen in invitro fertilization clinics. Even frozen they cannot last indefinately. They will die. And so will those who could have been helped by stem cell research. I believe a human zygote is a human but what do we do to protect the frozen embryos? Can someones "left over" embryos be inserted in another mother? Is it legal? I wonder. What a mess we have made. I pray for this nation and the decisions made by all of us. I ask forgiveness for the things that have been left undone. These are human beings innocent in a freezer we should all be disturbed by this fact

[Hypathia]

This sickens me. How disgusting. And yes I agree invito fertilization is just as disgusting. My wife and I tried for 8 years to have a child. We went to a fertility Dr. Who happened to be a wonderful Christian Catholic. Invito fertilization was never a consideration. Missouri always surprises me, but unfortunately Kansas is getting just as bad.

God protect us,

Kansas Dad

I disagree with you Kansas Dad but at least you're not a hypocrit. It's the ones who get invitro then preach against using the left-overs that really infuriate me.

What you need to understand is that the very small child that these procedures kill are just as much a God given life as the adult, or larger Child in need of a cure. How can you kill one life to save another when the life being killed is totally innocent. Do the ends justify the means. Did you also know that umbilical cord stem cells have proven to be much more valuable and promising then embryonic stem cells. Why kill and innocent life when its not even necessary. It is about money, power and agenda's. It has nothing to do about actually finding a cure, that is the lie you are being told.

Please really think about this. It is a horrific lie.

God bless,

Kansas Dad

What you need to understand is that you're repeating what a handful of self-appointed godfathers of evangelicalism have said. The fact is the smallest cell of biological life in a woman's body is a single egg; in a man's body it's a single sperm and NOBODY knows when the soul begins. I don't think it starts at conception because I've had a miscarriage and I never thought "God" killed my baby's "soul". I thought it was just an act of nature; no soul ended per se.

Umbilical cord stem cells have proven to be valuable but not more valuable. The hard study and research has only been going on for about 9 years and the embryonic stem-cells hold the most promise because they're blank. Be careful what you believe coming out of the religious right; you're the one buying into "lies"; not me.

And be careful how you repeat and throw around the word "life". Biological life and the soul mean two different things. When people repeat the phrase "life begins at conception" what they're really saying is that "the soul begins at conception" and they have no way of knowing this one way or the other. Not all Christians agree with this concept and people of other faiths also disagree. Did you know that Jews think it is inhumane not to pursue embryonic stem-cell research? They say they have no problem "playing God" since God is good and we should strive to do good things.

[Kansasdad]

And last but not least, if cures are found against your objections, don't get them for yourself or a loved one then, pray that God call you home for your reward instead (in other words, don't be a hypocrit).

No worries...I won't ....

It is amazing how we want cures for all the diseases caused by our sinful behaviours..

and we will go to all lengths, even to the destruction of our own offspring, to heal us from it rather than to repent and ask God for our healing....

My child has a fatal disease; he's done NOTHING sinful to bring it on himself. I've got friends who've watched an 11 yr old, and two 4 yr olds die from lukemia. You think those poor babies deserved to get that?

You know what, even adults who may have brought disease on themselves deserve a break if it's available. Nobody leads a perfect life (cept for maybe you tah); everybody makes mistakes and sometimes those mistakes harm ones body. If a cure is found those people should be able to get them too along with everybody else. There's nothing wrong with helping people when you can do it.

People need to put a little more thought into what they say sometimes.

I am sorry you are experiening such sorrows...

but killing another child is not an excuse to save one..

If I have a choice to save a child at the sacrifice of another I would not choose to kill one...

God will decide who lives and who dies in my life......

You're not sorry. You dare to compare my child to a microscopic embryo who has no brain, no organs, no limbs, and no womb to grown in. These are entirely petri-dish products; there's not even a pregnancy involved. The blueprint might be there but there's no person yet; they're being thrown away on a daily baisis and never know the difference . When I have my menstrual cycle my body disposes of an egg (which is biologically a living cell too); that is not murder of a child imo; what do you think? That is in the same category as these petrie dish zygotes as far as I'm concerned.

If you think you'd watch one of your children or grandchildren die when using these left-over, thrown away embryos might save your precious kid's lives then you're very mistaken I believe. But you never know, some people let their kids die when there are treatments available now; I see it on the news from time to time.

The fact is that just because you call a human life something else does not make it so. When a sperm and egg get together it becomes a living human being, just as precious as any other human being. Your eggs during your cycle are not human beings don't try to confuse the issue, and you completely refused to make yourself aware of the fact that with umbilical stem cells, embryonic stems cells are completely unnecessary, and actually less valuable. The availability of umbilical cord stems cells is vast and will provide more research material than could ever be used. So sorry, what you are proposing is totally and completely unwarranted and achieves nothing but money in someones pocket, and the destruction of life.

Answer me this, why kill the embryo baby humans when you could use umbilical stem cells instead and get better results.

CSLewis..... You are absolutely correct, we have created a horrific mess.

K.D.

[CSLewis]

This sickens me. How disgusting. And yes I agree invito fertilization is just as disgusting. My wife and I tried for 8 years to have a child. We went to a fertility Dr. Who happened to be a wonderful Christian Catholic. Invito fertilization was never a consideration. Missouri always surprises me, but unfortunately Kansas is getting just as bad.

God protect us,

Kansas Dad

I disagree with you Kansas Dad but at least you're not a hypocrit. It's the ones who get invitro then preach against using the left-overs that really infuriate me.

What you need to understand is that the very small child that these procedures kill are just as much a God given life as the adult, or larger Child in need of a cure. How can you kill one life to save another when the life being killed is totally innocent. Do the ends justify the means. Did you also know that umbilical cord stem cells have proven to be much more valuable and promising then embryonic stem cells. Why kill and innocent life when its not even necessary. It is about money, power and agenda's. It has nothing to do about actually finding a cure, that is the lie you are being told.

Please really think about this. It is a horrific lie.

God bless,

Kansas Dad

What you need to understand is that you're repeating what a handful of self-appointed godfathers of evangelicalism have said. The fact is the smallest cell of biological life in a woman's body is a single egg; in a man's body it's a single sperm and NOBODY knows when the soul begins. I don't think it starts at conception because I've had a miscarriage and I never thought "God" killed my baby's "soul". I thought it was just an act of nature; no soul ended per se.

Umbilical cord stem cells have proven to be valuable but not more valuable. The hard study and research has only been going on for about 9 years and the embryonic stem-cells hold the most promise because they're blank. Be careful what you believe coming out of the religious right; you're the one buying into "lies"; not me.

And be careful how you repeat and throw around the word "life". Biological life and the soul mean two different things. When people repeat the phrase "life begins at conception" what they're really saying is that "the soul begins at conception" and they have no way of knowing this one way or the other. Not all Christians agree with this concept and people of other faiths also disagree. Did you know that Jews think it is inhumane not to pursue embryonic stem-cell research? They say they have no problem "playing God" since God is good and we should strive to do good things.

Your baby's soul did not end it went to heaven. Human life must be protected. whether a zygote, an embryo, an AIDS patient or a terrorist. Whether they all have souls (many debate this but I believe they all do) or not; they all have life. That spark should not be ended so that it makes other lives easier. We are caught up in living as comfortably as we can. We abort our babies if we didn't expect them, we kill embryos to find cures for our diseases, we wage war to take revenge, we murder murderers to show murdering is wrong. We'd rather live comfortably than respect and love people.

[Hypathia]

And last but not least, if cures are found against your objections, don't get them for yourself or a loved one then, pray that God call you home for your reward instead (in other words, don't be a hypocrit).

No worries...I won't ....

It is amazing how we want cures for all the diseases caused by our sinful behaviours..

and we will go to all lengths, even to the destruction of our own offspring, to heal us from it rather than to repent and ask God for our healing....

My child has a fatal disease; he's done NOTHING sinful to bring it on himself. I've got friends who've watched an 11 yr old, and two 4 yr olds die from lukemia. You think those poor babies deserved to get that?

You know what, even adults who may have brought disease on themselves deserve a break if it's available. Nobody leads a perfect life (cept for maybe you tah); everybody makes mistakes and sometimes those mistakes harm ones body. If a cure is found those people should be able to get them too along with everybody else. There's nothing wrong with helping people when you can do it.

People need to put a little more thought into what they say sometimes.

I am sorry you are experiening such sorrows...

but killing another child is not an excuse to save one..

If I have a choice to save a child at the sacrifice of another I would not choose to kill one...

God will decide who lives and who dies in my life......

You're not sorry. You dare to compare my child to a microscopic embryo who has no brain, no organs, no limbs, and no womb to grown in. These are entirely petri-dish products; there's not even a pregnancy involved. The blueprint might be there but there's no person yet; they're being thrown away on a daily baisis and never know the difference . When I have my menstrual cycle my body disposes of an egg (which is biologically a living cell too); that is not murder of a child imo; what do you think? That is in the same category as these petrie dish zygotes as far as I'm concerned.

If you think you'd watch one of your children or grandchildren die when using these left-over, thrown away embryos might save your precious kid's lives then you're very mistaken I believe. But you never know, some people let their kids die when there are treatments available now; I see it on the news from time to time.

The fact is that just because you call a human life something else does not make it so. When a sperm and egg get together it becomes a living human being, just as precious as any other human being. Your eggs during your cycle are not human beings don't try to confuse the issue, and you completely refused to make yourself aware of the fact that with umbilical stem cells, embryonic stems cells are completely unnecessary, and actually less valuable. The availability of umbilical cord stems cells is vast and will provide more research material than could ever be used. So sorry, what you are proposing is totally and completely unwarranted and achieves nothing but money in someones pocket, and the destruction of life.

Answer me this, why kill the embryo baby humans when you could use umbilical stem cells instead and get better results.

CSLewis..... You are absolutely correct, we have created a horrific mess.

K.D.

I think we should use it all; including the left-overs; waste not, want not. The religious right leaders have confused the issue. When my body disposes of an egg monthly I don't even think about it; the same when thousands of these unknown zygotes are thrown away in a lab. Why don't we think about these? Obviously because they're not people yet and we all know it. It takes more than the blueprint to make a person; it requires a womb for one thing and even then, under the best of circumstances many pregnancies end in miscarriage. The best analogy I can think of is when I bake a cake: I have my eggs, my flour, my oil, but I don't have cake. Now whenl I mix it all together; put it in a pan; and put it in the oven to bake for 40 minutes.....then I have cake.

Just because you call these petrie-dish embryos people doesn't make it so either; in fact, if you check your bible you may find that there's an overwhelming number of verses that say life (the soul) begins when a person draws their first breath (but you won't find a verse saying life/soul begins at conception or "outside" a womb). Sorry, but my monthly "disposed of egg" and these thousands of disposed of invitro leftovers are not equal to or as precious as my beautiful son. I know him, I've held him, I've nursed him, I've sent him off to school, I've helped him with his homework, I've tried to comfort him when he has sobbed in fear and said, "Mom I'm scared, I don't want to die". So don't try to tell me that these unknown cells are equal to that; it's absurd and quite insulting to put it bluntly. These tiny embryos are thrown away day in and day out and many people call that killing or murder but they're willing to add more killing on top of it.......people like my son. That's just all whacked out no matter how you look at it.

Nobody cries over discarded egg but people never recover from the death of child. That's REALITY, not some half-baked religious theory that a few healthy, rich, white-men try to shove down everyone else's throat. [Jerry Fallwell, the guy that wants to be kept on scientific life support against his God's will ; James Dobson ; Pat Robertson ; those types ]

Edited November 10, 2006 by Hypathia

[Candi770]

HELLO,

Does Missouri have sleeping Christians??? Shame on you who didn't get out and vote!!!

How aweful

there better be an appeal to this!!

I've always wondered, if man tried to do this, God would be under not obligation to give the poor thing a spirit-what would be in the poor little thing.

I think the Christians of the state did get out and vote, in large numbers. God gives people common sense and they used it in the voting booth.

Your last sentence doesn't make any sense to me. What were you trying to say there?

I'm talking about what the original posters tread talks about human clones, Christians- those who follow christ would vote against them. My last sentence is concerning the human these clowns think they are going to clone- could the human flesh be given a soul/spirit by God. It doesn't seem like he would be under any obligation to give it one. So what will we have then??? Entrance for demonic spirits????

[Kansasdad]

What you need to understand is that you're repeating what a handful of self-appointed godfathers of evangelicalism have said. The fact is the smallest cell of biological life in a woman's body is a single egg; in a man's body it's a single sperm and NOBODY knows when the soul begins. I don't think it starts at conception because I've had a miscarriage and I never thought "God" killed my baby's "soul". I thought it was just an act of nature; no soul ended per se.

Umbilical cord stem cells have proven to be valuable but not more valuable. The hard study and research has only been going on for about 9 years and the embryonic stem-cells hold the most promise because they're blank. Be careful what you believe coming out of the religious right; you're the one buying into "lies"; not me.

And be careful how you repeat and throw around the word "life". Biological life and the soul mean two different things. When people repeat the phrase "life begins at conception" what they're really saying is that "the soul begins at conception" and they have no way of knowing this one way or the other. Not all Christians agree with this concept and people of other faiths also disagree. Did you know that Jews think it is inhumane not to pursue embryonic stem-cell research? They say they have no problem "playing God" since God is good and we should strive to do good things.

God tells us in the Bible that he knows us in our Mothers Womb. That means that we have a soul in our mothers womb. The only way around this is to declare that you don't believe the Bible is the Word of God. My wife and I had a tuble pregenancy and the Baby died. I am sure his/her preciouse little soul is in good care by our almighty creator. By the Way, a Jews is just as lost as any other human that has not made Jesus their lord and master, so no it does not surprise me that they would hold the view you stated. And no, you are the one being deceived. Do some actual research, I have. Umbilical cord research is proving to have much much more potential the Embryonic. The facts are there you just have to actually look.

God Bless,

K.D.

[Hypathia]

HELLO,

Does Missouri have sleeping Christians??? Shame on you who didn't get out and vote!!!

How aweful

there better be an appeal to this!!

I've always wondered, if man tried to do this, God would be under not obligation to give the poor thing a spirit-what would be in the poor little thing.

I think the Christians of the state did get out and vote, in large numbers. God gives people common sense and they used it in the voting booth.

Your last sentence doesn't make any sense to me. What were you trying to say there?

I'm talking about what the original posters tread talks about human clones, Christians- those who follow christ would vote against them. My last sentence is concerning the human these clowns think they are going to clone- could the human flesh be given a soul/spirit by God. It doesn't seem like he would be under any obligation to give it one. So what will we have then??? Entrance for demonic spirits????

I think you're confusing therapeudic cloning with reproductive cloning Candi. They're two totally different things. They would only be cloning a person's specific body parts......not growing a baby in a bottle then cutting out what they needed (ewwwh). For example, if your kidneys gave out they'd be able to grow you a new kidney specificially suited to your body's genetic make-up. This way you #1 - wouldn't have to wait for somebody to die to get their kidneys and #2 Since the cloned kidney would have your own DNA you wouldn't have to take anti-rejection drugs everyday which is what people who get organ transplants have to do now.

Do you see what I'm saying? You have to be careful because those who are opposed to all cloning (healthy people who always think they won't need it) try to put out a lot of false information to get everyone confused so they'll oppose it too.