I Would Like To See If Christians Could Agree

[thepreacher]

micen2,

Yes I do like to dig deeper in to the word of God. I understand that is not for everyone. Here is my reasoning.

I assure you though that I am not trying to crucify Christ afresh. We have not covered this scripture YET, but we would be in the future, God willing. It is one of the 52 scriptures I would like for us to read.

Maybe you where referring to Heb 6:4-6. That scripture I believe means that if a person becomes a son of God and then falls away (or becomes reprobate), that it would be impossible for that person to repent (or change their minds) again and try to be reconverted. Thereby trying the impossibility of crucifying Christ again.

I am not saying that kind of repentance is possible.

That is one of the reasons I am going deeper into the word of God. To try and learn to rightly divide the word of God. To understand everything God has to say about repentance.

This is a precept upon a precept as you were saying.

Building up an understanding of what God is saying one scripture upon a scripture.

Thank you for your reply,

and I am happy to meet you also.

Griffith

[thepreacher]

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF CHRISTIANS COULD AGREE.

The next scripture!

The Greek parts of speech for the next scriptures on repent is, not in the command mood. But the word is used very differently.

11th Scripture is: Rev 2:5 (1b-7)

Jesus telling His church of believers that they need to repent or change their minds about (NOT) doing a work. They were not showing the work of love they once had and lost. The love is referring to the Greek word,

Edited November 29, 2006 by thepreacher

[thepreacher]

you are very polite....despite any disagreement so in that ..it is pleasant to meet you...

I see you've moved on to the next scrip...but I would like to add/close on this note:

no repentance is ours save it was instilled in us.

ah...... the thankworthy mysteries of christ/god/ the spirit

reply to micen2 #56

micen2,

On this point you made, we agree completely.

I look at it in this way.

Even though it may look to the rest of the world that we are the ones doing the work (in this case repentance). In reality it is God

[thepreacher]

reply to # 57

I read all you posted there..and follow what you're saying...but touching on baptism...other than some spiritual/scientific meanings- for those who understand it, or long to (which does not moot baptism..but rather gives it deeper meaning).....

micen2,

Yes there is a lot more to baptism, I agree. That would be a good topic to start if and when we finish the topic on repentance. It is another work listed in the foundation of Jesus Christ.

For now on this topic baptism is just, a work that shows or proves we have repented correctly according to the scriptures we have covered on repentance.

Thank you very much for your replies!

Edited November 29, 2006 by thepreacher

[Guest Biblicist]

preacher,

I am a little confused. You want us to agree without adding paralell scripture to back it up?

I do not believe in that approach to Bible study. I always try to take one scripture or context and cross reference it with the rest of God's word. Since God's word is harmonious we should be able to do that to get a deeper meaning of what He was trying to tell us.

I understand how you are trying to build a "case", as it were, but when someone offers a little background info or scripture to back up your points "Yes you are right it also talks about that here. . . and here. . . " and you refuse that it makes me a little concerned.

I also recall that the topic of this post was "I would like to see if Christians could agree." From what I've read, apparently not.

In His Grip,

Biblicist

[thepreacher]

thepreacher, replying to #60 post

I am a little confused. You want us to agree without adding paralell scripture to back it up?

thepreacher,

If you mean parallel as in other scriptures, I am doing that but in an orderly manner. I plan on covering all of them on repentance. At the end, if someone wants to bring out points from different scriptures, then we can cover them also.

I can

[thepreacher]

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF CHRISTIANS COULD AGREE.

The next scripture!

The Greek parts of speech, for the next scriptures on repentance, are in the command mood.

12th Scripture is: Acts 8:22 (14-24)

Simon was a believer verse 13. He also seemed ready to hire out his services of

[thepreacher]

I am not a righteous man.....religion has left me cold...and now I'm growing old...

( I wonder daily where my next pages are..and what will be...I see changes happening to me everyday...positive changes...but I've learned ,I first must "face" the "darkness of self". something a person in the flesh is not willing to do. I am a sinner...and in that acknowledgment...I am set free from the flesh and into true spirituallity...it is not enough to simply confess with the mouth...to "face" the "darkness of self" is to see the light of "day". and it's not something that can be had at the "accountibility" of others...what a farce and a spiritual sellout that is...you must be willing to learn...and in that you become a teacher unto yourself... far above those self appointed "leaders"-who've made themselves the "god's" reapers of "the collection of wounded conscience" . they reap to themselves "the greater condemnation")

Now I've left it for dead...and have chosen to be a spirit instead.

micen2,

John the Baptist started by making the pathway straight. Jesus Christ and the Apostles gave us the direction on how to travel that path. Where it leads to is the spiritual rest in God. That is the true spiritual self and freedom from the guilt of sin.

This path that Israel in the wilderness refused to follow and could not enter into God's Sabbath rest as told in Hebrews chapter 3 and 4. It is available to us today. Heb 4:9 but we must follow God's path and I agree with what you said, it is not just "confess with the mouth", it is more a labor to enter. Heb 4:10-11.

This is the beginning of that path that I am trying to show here in this topic. We cannot make ourselves truly spiritual or righteous, but God can. There is only one way, one path,

God calls us by sending His Holy Spirit to be (with) us, to comfort and guide us on this path, then we must repent of our dead works to continue on God's path.

So many people try different paths of the religious system and never the path of God's. Therefore they never really find the kingdom or God's righteousness, peace and joy He spoke of.

There will always be false hope and temporary peace and joy of the world until the Lord returns. This might be enough for the religious systems of today but it is not the true kingdom of God.

My hope is that more will follow the true path to God.

In Christ,

Griffith

Edited December 5, 2006 by thepreacher

[thepreacher]

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF CHRISTIANS COULD AGREE.

The next scripture!

The Greek parts of speech, for the next scriptures on repentance. It is saying that if something is done, sometime in the future they "will repent".

17th Scripture is: Luke 16:30 (19-31)

This is the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. The rich man suggesting that if one from the dead rises up and warns the living, that they "will repent". Abraham said that wouldn't work because they already have Moses and the prophets and it didn't persuade (convince) them to repent (change their mind).

The context stops short of actually saying what to repent of.

THE FOLLOWING ARE MY NOTES AND THOUGHTS ONLY, NO DEBATE NEEDED.

It seems the rich man ignored the needs of others. This could possibly be what the rich man and his brothers needed to repent of. Not taking care of the poor.

Being rich in a spiritual sense gives us a responsibility also. If we ignore the spiritual needs of others we will be held accountable.

I believe this would fall under the H.1.NOT working the work of love a fruit of the Holy Spirit.

SO FAR I HAVE CONCLUDED FROM THESE SCRIPTURES:

A. Repentance is a commandment from God: Acts 17:30, Matt 3:2,4:17, Mark 1:15

B. Everyone must repent: Acts 17:30

C. The dead works so far that stop you from being born again and entering the kingdom of heaven.

1.believing in false gods: Acts 17:30

2.being a Pharisee or persecuting Christians: Acts 26:20

3.believing in living under the old Mosaic laws and Pharisee, Sadducee or Jewish leaders: Acts 2:38

4.following or getting spiritual food from false Christian religions. Rev 2:21

D. So far only born again believers should have but might not have repented yet, of everyday sins.

E. Repentance is a work or something we must do. It is one of God

[Floatingaxe]

expounding on ignoring the spiritual needs of others........

"he that singeth songs to a heavy heart , is as one that taketh away a coat in cold weather"

"as vinigar upon nitre" even. proverbs mkjv

singing:

"la la lalala la la la di da da da dida di daaaaaaaaaaaaahhh!!!!!!