I Would Like To See If Christians Could Agree

[Floatingaxe]

Okay, I won't reply to that, but I do believe this to be very unfruitful. Seeya around!

[Ovedya]

1 John 1:9 and also Psa. 32:5; Prov. 28:13;

Ovedya,

I am sorry but I think you misunderstood. All your example verses show the correct way a believer asks for and receives forgiveness.

Since this topic is about repentance and someone suggested that it gives forgiveness also, I was looking for examples with repentance in the verses suggesting forgiveness.

I was asking for Floatingaxe's examples of repenting to receive forgiveness.

I don't know of any myself and I would stand corrected if some are found.

According to my understanding of repentance, it always involves the action of asking for forgiveness. Since that's the case, the verses do very much apply.

What's your understanding of the following verses, however?

"The sacrifice acceptable to God is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise." (Psa. 51:17)

"For thus says the high and lofty One who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy: "I dwell in the high and holy place, and also with him who is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite." (Isa. 57:15)

If it helps, the word translated as contrite in the Hebrew means "to be crushed, to be broken."

Ovedya,

The English word "repent" is made up of two Greek words that (ONLY) mean "change of mind".

I understand that other things lead us to (change our minds) but they are not the word or action repent in

and of themselves. There are also things we need to repent of. All these things are not repentance themselves

any more than symptoms are the disease.

As for asking forgiveness, you separated the two different acts yourself. A person must repent or change

their minds about something, then ask for forgiveness.

Your scripture examples are things required for a person leading to repentance. In other words they need

a reason to change their minds and those scriptural reasons would be could enough to make a person think

about changing their minds meaning repenting.

The scriptures I would like would be from the new testament that have the word repent, repented or

repentance or even "change your mind" in them.

In Hebrew it's Nacham, meaning "to be moved to regret or sorrow."

In the Greek it's metavnoia, which is the noun form. metanoevw is the verb form, which means "to change one's mind." The noun form in its contexts has the definite indication of "turning away." In other words, there is not just the action of changing one's mind, but also that of changing one's behavior as a means of repentance. Of course,simple behavior modification is woefully insufficient to insure that sins are not repeated ad-nauseum. Hence the need to not simply change one's mind, but to turn away from that sin and toward Christ, who grants grace sufficient to transform the soul and renew the mind (Eph. 4:23)

[thepreacher]

1 John 1:9 and also Psa. 32:5; Prov. 28:13;

Ovedya,

I am sorry but I think you misunderstood. All your example verses show the correct way a believer asks for and receives forgiveness.

Since this topic is about repentance and someone suggested that it gives forgiveness also, I was looking for examples with repentance in the verses suggesting forgiveness.

I was asking for Floatingaxe's examples of repenting to receive forgiveness.

I don't know of any myself and I would stand corrected if some are found.

According to my understanding of repentance, it always involves the action of asking for forgiveness. Since that's the case, the verses do very much apply.

What's your understanding of the following verses, however?

"The sacrifice acceptable to God is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise." (Psa. 51:17)

"For thus says the high and lofty One who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy: "I dwell in the high and holy place, and also with him who is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite." (Isa. 57:15)

If it helps, the word translated as contrite in the Hebrew means "to be crushed, to be broken."

Ovedya,

The English word "repent" is made up of two Greek words that (ONLY) mean "change of mind".

I understand that other things lead us to (change our minds) but they are not the word or action repent in

and of themselves. There are also things we need to repent of. All these things are not repentance themselves

any more than symptoms are the disease.

As for asking forgiveness, you separated the two different acts yourself. A person must repent or change

their minds about something, then ask for forgiveness.

Your scripture examples are things required for a person leading to repentance. In other words they need

a reason to change their minds and those scriptural reasons would be could enough to make a person think

about changing their minds meaning repenting.

The scriptures I would like would be from the new testament that have the word repent, repented or

repentance or even "change your mind" in them.

In Hebrew it's Nacham, meaning "to be moved to regret or sorrow."

In the Greek it's metavnoia, which is the noun form. metanoevw is the verb form, which means "to change one's mind." The noun form in its contexts has the definite indication of "turning away." In other words, there is not just the action of changing one's mind, but also that of changing one's behavior as a means of repentance. Of course,simple behavior modification is woefully insufficient to insure that sins are not repeated ad-nauseum. Hence the need to not simply change one's mind, but to turn away from that sin and toward Christ, who grants grace sufficient to transform the soul and renew the mind (Eph. 4:23)

Ovedya,

I'm with you until you include, "...and toward Christ..." in your definition of repentance.

In this topic we are only covering the new testament and the Greek root word or rather two words used for the English word "repent" is meta = change and nous = mind. Then of coarse it is modified to address sentence structure and context of the scripture. So the word repent just means change mind.

Even with the added "to feel compunction" to stop believing in what one is repenting of.

Turning away from the sin one is doing is one step in the process. Turning to Jesus is the conversion process. The difference is the first step is "turning away from something". The second step is "turning to something".

Maybe another example might help.

A person can realize that believing in a statue as a god was not logical. So they (repented) or (changed their mind) or (turned away) from worshiping statues. Now they never heard of Jesus yet so they have no way of turning to anything else. That is repentance from a dead work or sin.

Now if that person hears about Jesus sometime in their future, they would have to convert or turn toward Jesus at that time.

That next step is to convert or turn toward Jesus Christ for directions.

On this topic I am interested in everyone learning what we all have to repent from not convert to yet. If most of us can agree what the bible says about the things we need to repent of, then we can move on to that next step. Which in the foundations listed in Heb 6:1-2 would be "believe on God". This would be the act of converting to or turning to God and believing in what he says to do. Then we can list all the things God says we should believe in and not what man says.

The difference in the words might not seem important to you, but to others it might make a huge difference.

Remember please. These are just my thoughts and you still do not have to agree. No hard feeling on my part.

In Christ,

Griffith

[Ovedya]

I'm not sure I'm really picking up what you're after here, preacher. It appears that we both agree on the most essential aspects of repentence.

[thepreacher]

I'm not sure I'm really picking up what you're after here, preacher. It appears that we both agree on the most essential aspects of repentence.

Ovedya,

Just as long as we all repent of what the Lord says to. Then we are in agreement.

Hope you are enjoying your holidays!

Griffith

[thepreacher]

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF CHRISTIANS COULD AGREE.

The next scriptures!

The Greek parts of speech, for the next scriptures on repentance

The English equivalent is: repented, have repented, had

[thepreacher]

No one seems to want to try and make conclusions, so I will continue.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF CHRISTIANS COULD AGREE.

The next scriptures!

The Greek parts of speech, for the next scriptures on repentance

The English equivalent is: repented, have repented, had

[thepreacher]

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF CHRISTIANS COULD AGREE.

The next scriptures!

The Greek parts of speech, for the next scriptures on repentance

The English equivalent is: repentance

30th Scripture is: Rev 2:21 (18b-29)

Actually this scripture could have been put in the last group. Jesus speaking of the end times when people will not repent of their working iniquity. He already knows they will not repent. Rev 9:20,21.

31st Scripture is: Mat 3:11 (1-12)

Came to lead people to repentance

32nd Scripture is: Mat 9:13 (10-13)

Came to lead people to repentance

33rd Scripture is: Mark 2:17 (15-17)

Came to lead people to repentance

34th Scripture is: Luke 5:32 (27-39)

Came to lead people to repentance

35th Scripture is: Luke 24:47 (44-49)

That repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

36th Scripture is: Act 5:31 (17-42)

Act 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus,

[thepreacher]

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF CHRISTIANS COULD AGREE.

The next scriptures!

The Greek parts of speech, for the next scriptures on repentance

The English equivalent is: repentance

37th Scripture is: Act 11:18 (1-18)

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[thepreacher]

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF CHRISTIANS COULD AGREE.

THE FINAL SCRIPTURES ON REPENTANCE!

My NEXT post will be my conclusions on all that I have learned so far.

The Greek parts of speech, for the next scriptures on repentance

The English equivalent is: repentance

44th Scripture is: Mat 3:8 (1-12)

Bring forth fruits showing repentance. Assuming the fruit of the Holy Spirit.

45th Scripture is: Mark 1:4 (2-8)

John's baptism was of repentance leading to remission of sins.

46th Scripture is: Luke 3:3,8 (1-14)

John preaching the baptism of repentance leading to remission of sins.

47th Scripture is: Luke 15:7 (1-10)

Heaven is joyful over one person repenting

48th Scripture is: Act 13:24 (13-41)

John preaching the baptism of repentance leading to remission of sins.

49th Scripture is: Act 19:4 (1-7)

John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance.

50th Scripture is: Act 26:20 (25:23-26:23)

Paul said, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for (showing) repentance.

51st Scripture is: Heb 6:1 (5:11-6:8)

Part of the foundation of Christ "repentance from dead works".

52nd Scripture is: Heb 12:17 (14-17)

Part of the foundation of Christ needed for salvation.

THE FOLLOWING ARE MY NOTES AND THOUGHTS ONLY, NO DEBATE NEEDED.

Since this is the last of the scriptures in the new testament on repentance we can all start discussions if you like. I will finalize my thoughts in my next post and ask some questions.

SO FAR I HAVE CONCLUDED FROM THESE SCRIPTURES:

A. Repentance is a commandment from God: Acts 17:30, Matt 3:2,4:17, Mark 1:15

B. Everyone must repent Jews and gentiles: Acts 17:30, Mark 6:12, Luke 13:3 &5, Act 5:31

C. The dead works so far that stop you from being born again and entering the kingdom of heaven.

1.believing in false gods: Acts 17:30, Rev 9:20

2.being a Pharisee or persecuting Christians: Acts 26:20

3.believing in living under the old Mosaic laws and Pharisee, Sadducee or Jewish leaders: Acts 2:38

4.following or getting spiritual food from false Christian religions. Rev 2:21,22

5.not believing in the works of God and repenting: Mat 11:20,12:41, Luke 10:13,11:32,

Rev 9:20,21,16:9,16:11, Rev 2:21

6.not repenting from , murders, sorceries, fornication, thefts. Rev 9:21

D. So far only born again believers should have but might not have repented yet, of everyday sins.

E. Repentance is a work or something we must do. It is one of God