What makes an atheist so scary

[undone]

Hitler used religion solely for political gain (kind of like Saddam Hussein). I posted some google group links a few weeks ago that revealed this and his atheist-adherent beliefs. I could dig them up again if you like. Note that google-groups are not a Christian friendly bunch - at least from what I've seen.

I have found no evidence that Hitler was an atheist. He even went to great efforts to stomp out atheism.

"For their interests [the Church's] cannot fail to coincide with ours [the National Socialists] alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against a Bolshevist culture, against atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for a consciousness of a community in our national life".

There does seem to be plenty of evidence that his flavor of religion didn't conform very well to any major sect of Christianity. He talked about God all of the time though.

Here's the link:

http://groups.google.co.bw/group/talk.athe...=raot&hl=en

Go about 1/4 down the page and you will see the dialogue begin there. There are numerous references and links there that back up this claim (I felt too many to copy and post here). If you click on it, you'll see what I mean.

At the very least, you'll see why someone should doubt Hitler was a Christian (aside from the numerous atrocities).

[RebekahDavid]

i think a society without religion would point to what there is to fear about atheism (other than the fact that it denies the very existence of God. and therefore endangers people's eternal life )

Lots of examples look at any communist country(past of present) and you will find the most horrific example of human nature and what there is to fear.

* Remembers a young man facing a tank in China a few years ago.

love your sister in Christ,

Rebekah David

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

Runners,

How would you supply this compassion that all of humanity is lacking? As well could you further clarify how humanity found itself in this condition?

Peace,

Dave

[cjrose]

Atheists? Scary?

They happen to be some of the most intelligent human beings I have come to respect and love. Why would Athiests be scary. Because you don't believe in anything? That's not scary, that's a challenge And I for one am glad to have you all on these boards.

As long as you remain respectful, don't mock God, then I'm totally cool. But you mock God and I'm gonna get on your case

You know what's scary? And I know you don't believe in this but HELL is scary. Eternal torment. Those that deny God will all see Him face to face one day upon His Glorious return and then you'll believe but it will be too late.

Remember also you are on a Christian Forum and I'm going to talk about the Lord so, if you are offended, ignore me.

Doesn't seem to offend many others. But I will always do my best to see your point of view and actually I have learned things from AAA, secondeve, Stew... so no, Atheists nor any other ism is scary.

[ted]

The idea that this group, and others like it, gaining legitimacy in America is unsettling, to say the least. With legal legitimacy comes legal protection. With legal protection come the right for them to molest your child. It's not a stretch by any means to be wary of things like that, and it's not paranoia.

Oh wow... I was confused for a little bit. OK... so here is the deal with NAMBLA.

They have a right to organize and discuss their ideas.

OK... There is nothing wrong with this.

They have a right to lobby. There is no reason they shouldn't be able to try to alter the law if they feel that is necessary.

Again, this is a basic right. If they feel that the law is unfair/unjust, they have the right to try to change it.

As soon as enough of the majority of lawmakers agree to amend the constitution (or the judges agree to reinterpret it). They can legally engage in sexual relations with minors.

This is not very likely. If the majority of American's decided that statutory rape was OK ...and it was decided that the constitution did does not prohibit this, it could be legalized just like anything else. Would you have a right to protect your child? YES! Of course! You are responsible for your child before the age of 18 and have the right to make decisions for him/her. After 18, the decisions aren't up to you anymore and I'd imagine NAMBLA wouldn't be too terribly interested anyway.

By the way... what does this have to do with Atheism? I forgot.

I'm not sure you are truly comprehending what the group stands for. NAMBLA is a group of sick people who feel that sex between adult males and "consenting" under aged boys is ok. It's a support group for sick criminals to make themselves feel better about the crimes they commit. As they grow in numbers, they get more brazen and are just now beginning to look into ways to make their sick sexual desires and activities legal.

Oh wow... I was confused for a little bit. OK... so here is the deal with NAMBLA.

They have a right to organize and discuss their ideas.

OK... There is nothing wrong with this.

A statement of this nature by you makes me extremely nervous. You actually think that it's ok for them to get together and discuss ways to make themselves feel better about having sex with male children?

They have a right to lobby. There is no reason they shouldn't be able to try to alter the law if they feel that is necessary.

Again, this is a basic right. If they feel that the law is unfair/unjust, they have the right to try to change it.

This statement is enough for me to prevent you from ever having any kind of contact with my son, if ever the opportunity presented itself.

In this statement, you seem to note that if they feel like laws are preventing them from engaging in sexual activity with under aged male children, then they should have a right to try to change those laws so that they could engage in this activity legally. If you consider this a "basic right" of these twisted, perverted criminals, then your views do scare me- and not because you may happen to be an atheist or not. Either way, it wouldn't matter.

A society that would allow this kind of sexual activity truly is to be feared. Obviously, you have no male children. If you do, and would allow this activity, you would be worthy of criminal prosecution.

We are not talking about 17 1/2 year old boys here, they are talking about boys as young as 6-10 years old. Do you understand that much? It's not like the boys they would like to be involved with are making truly informed, comprehensive, well thought out decisions on the matter. I make no apologies when I say that children under the age of 10 are not capable of making decisions like this to engage in this sort of activity. It's nothing more than brainwashing little boys and trying to indoctrinate them into homosexual activity well before they are of the intelligence level to consider such actions with any sense of maturity. If boys, or men, who reach the age of 18 want to pursue homosexual relationships, then the decision is theirs. So be it.

But this group is not about that. This group seeks to legitimize sex with young boys. It make a whole heck of a lot of difference.

In other words, these people are predators who are trying to justify sick behavior in such a manner that they would try to protect themselves from criminal prosecution. If you are comfortable with their position, and/ or feel that they have a basic "right" to this behavior, then you are just as sick as they are. How any rational, adult human being could think that this group, and others like them, have some sort of "right" to engage in this activity, or to petition current laws which prevent their kind of child abuse, is well beyond my comprehension.

I don't really know how to say this, but if my son was ever molested by one of these people, or anyone like them, I would do whatever I could to put a bullet in their head before the police could catch up with the person. Whatever fate awaited me following that would be secondary in consideration.

This is not very likely. If the majority of American's decided that statutory rape was OK ...and it was decided that the constitution did does not prohibit this, it could be legalized just like anything else.

Not likely at all, and it's evidence that we haven't totally collapsed as a society. But, in the unlikely event that it ever did become legal, I reckon I'd have to be one of the first to be jailed under the new laws protecting it.

I'm actually sitting here in pure disbelief that I am engaging in conversation with someone who feels that these people have a "right" to pursue their pleasures.

Please tell me I'm wrong, ok? Because if I'm correct, you should at least change your screen name to anything but "Ethical". Atheist.

t.

[cjrose]

CJ, you are a brave person if you think that fascism isn't scary.

Sam, you should know me by now that I can be dense outside the Bible. At the risk of looking really stupid, what is fascism?

[billie]

fas

[ethical.atheist]

If you consider this a "basic right" of these twisted, perverted criminals, then your views do scare me- and not because you may happen to be an atheist or not. Either way, it wouldn't matter.

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I'm actually sitting here in pure disbelief that I am engaging in conversation with someone who feels that these people have a "right" to pursue their pleasures.

Please tell me I'm wrong, ok? Because if I'm correct, you should at least change your screen name to anything but "Ethical". Atheist.

Wow... Well you certainly misunderstand me. I guess it comes from my point of view. See... I don't think that my point of view should decide the actions of others unless their actions hurt me or someone else.

In this situation, it is absolutely obvious to me that sex with a minor is wrong and I see no way it could ever be considered otherwise. However, if these individuals would like to try to convince me otherwise, they have every right to do so. If they have the opinion that I am wrong... that is their right to have that opinion. Remember that we cannot jail people for their improper thoughts.

Just as any citizen who feels that the law has impeded their rights, they should be able to appeal to the government/majority of citizens. The fact that it would never fly is irrelevant. So long as they have not broken the law, they have their rights.

Again... what does this have to do with atheism?

[billie]

Ethical Atheist, obviously, you don't have any teenage daughters.

[undone]

But why do this? Because it will make the world a better place! If we have faith in this idea, if we have faith in the fact compassion will really improve our lives, we can cultivate it. Many people have faith in an organized religion, all its texts and clerics, yet they have trouble having faith in this basic principle. I think this promise is really something worth having faith in. Call me crazy.

RH, Here are some scriptures that speak to what you've said.

1 Corinthians 13 (NIV)

Love

1If I speak in the tongues[a] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.

James 1:27 (NIV)

27Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

1 John 2:9-11 (NIV)

9Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness. 10Whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in him[a] to make him stumble. 11But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness; he does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded him.

1 John 3:11-20 (NIV)

Love one another

11This is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. 12Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother's were righteous. 13Do not be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you. 14We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death. 15Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him.

16This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. 17If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? 18Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth. 19This then is how we know that we belong to the truth, and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence 20whenever our hearts condemn us. For God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.

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RH,

In your search for knowledge, I pray that you don't miss the chance to know the one true God. I realize much of your mission here on Worthy is to test drive your ideas and see where they go. In doing so, you've encountered all kinds of reactions from the brothers and sisters who participate here. You mustn't base your evalution of Christianity solely on these posts. The bible is the best source for knowledge of our faith. We are all on a lifelong journey of discovering it's truths and therefore are prone to make mistakes.

One thing we have in common is trusting in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of our sins and the free gift of eternal life.

In past posts, you've questioned how we can be sure that this way is THE way. It boils down to being called by the Spirit. A call that's common among all of us and is unmistakable. A call that began with the conviction of our sin that led us to repentence. Are you not convicted of your sin? Do you not fear God? Do you know that if you are judged by the holy standards of the 10 commandments on Judgement Day that you too, as all of us, are guilty as charged if you only broke one of these commandments once in all your life?

We've demonstrated in many ways why Jesus can be trusted. There are no other systems of faith that equal Christianity. No other system (within common orthodox faiths) provides grace to cover your sin thus removing the burden to live a holy life on your own. No other "religious" leader/founder claimed to be God and proved it. No other but Jesus gave His life for YOU and bore your due punishment for you.

Many have put Christianity to the test and have failed to prove it false. I hope you will let the Spirit speak to your heart. Please pray that He will reveal the truth to your heart and mind. Admit that your "scientific" mind fights your ability to let your guard down. Humble yourself and reach out to Him. Tell Him your willing to meet Him halfway if He'll come the other half and He will. Don't expect you'll understand it all at first but understand, like I said before, that it's a lifelong journey. Don't expect that you can live it out perfectly because you can't. If you could, Jesus wouldn't have needed to come and die for you.

Your above post shows that there is a soft part of your heart. Soften it the rest of the way and let Him in to dwell with you. I promise, you will not regret it. There's not a Christian here who hasn't been there, who doesn't understand your personal struggle. Your desire to deny Him. Your fear of giving in to something like this. WE ALL HAVE BEEN THERE in some way or another. A true desire for Him produces a change that is unmistakable. It could simply be a weight lifted off your shoulders accompanied with joy. But it WILL be unmistakable. He waits at the door and will enter in when you simply open it for Him to enter. Let it go. Put down the weights, the heavy baggage. Your life will NEVER be the same.