What makes an atheist so scary

[Guest]

Thanks Ted.

Just introducing myself. I'm on the hunt for a place where believers and nonbelievers can come together openly and respectfully and (hopefully) learn from each other.

Have I found it?

It appears I have found my answer.

Welcome!

Be Blessed

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.

Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Joe

[ted]

Thanks Ted.

Just introducing myself. I'm on the hunt for a place where believers and nonbelievers can come together openly and respectfully and (hopefully) learn from each other.

Have I found it?

It appears I have found my answer.

I'm glad.

t.

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[Guest AV1611_USER]

Hello roselady:

I think it is a common misconception that atheists lack morals, or lack a sufficient foundation on which to base their morals. "Without absolute law, how can you know right from wrong?"

It is my testimony that belief in God is not required for me to lead a moral life. I make an effort to be loving and kind to others, and I am raising my children to think for themselves and to be loving and kind as well. What more does one need as a moral foundation?

In an atheist's worldview, there is no right and wrong nor is any action preferable to any other. According to atheists, we are just by-products of the universe's processes. One life form may not like something that another life form does, but according to that worldview, it cannot say that it is wrong, because there is no absolute standard. Therefore, how could an atheist even believe in absolute right and wrong?

The fact is that a sense of right and wrong comes from being made in God's image, and you have to go back to the knowledge of God that God Himself has given you in order to even use words such as "right" and "wrong".

[ted]

Hello roselady:

I think it is a common misconception that atheists lack morals, or lack a sufficient foundation on which to base their morals. "Without absolute law, how can you know right from wrong?"

It is my testimony that belief in God is not required for me to lead a moral life. I make an effort to be loving and kind to others, and I am raising my children to think for themselves and to be loving and kind as well. What more does one need as a moral foundation?

In an atheist's worldview, there is no right and wrong nor is any action preferable to any other. According to atheists, we are just by-products of the universe's processes. One life form may not like something that another life form does, but according to that worldview, it cannot say that it is wrong, because there is no absolute standard. Therefore, how could an atheist even believe in absolute right and wrong?

The fact is that a sense of right and wrong comes from being made in God's image, and you have to go back to the knowledge of God that God Himself has given you in order to even use words such as "right" and "wrong".

I'm not sure if I can agree with statements that say that there is no right or wrong with atheists. Before I accepted Jesus into my life, I had a pretty good idea of right and wrong. I lived well enough, and didn't think that we were simply free to do whatever we wanted because I thought God did not exist.

It was still just as wrong to murder someone, cheat on your wife, rob and steal, rape, etc. All of those things were still just as wrong in my book as they are today.

I do concede that since accepting Christ into my life, I have a better understanding of why certain things are wrong. Before that, I knew that wrong was wrong, but couldn't really point to the origin of why they were wrong. Know what I mean?

To say that atheists simply do not have a value system, or that most of them live lives devoid of a sense of right and wrong is just plain, well.....wrong.

t.

[undone]

right and wrong, or morals are a survival tool, all animals have them, for example a deer will not use its antlers to kill another deer, it will only but antlers with other bucks in a mating contest that will not cause significant harm to either buck except in accidents. however when attacked by another species the deer rams its horn in the side of the attacker the most vulnerable part of most animals. because a deer killing a bear will not make survival harder for the deer species. but a deer killing a deer does

a species that helps each other, survives better and thus will pass on more genes more easily. There are species however where "morals" as defined by humans are not prevelent for example there are several species of bat where male bats who can not attract a female mate will rape one, one species has even developed a special claw designed soley for this purpose.

having said that, our society also defines morals, we are taught what is wrong and right based upon the predominant culture where we live, for example in america stoning a girl to death for sex outside of marriage seems barbaric, in the middle east it is law and normal.

Have you had a chance to view the formal debate between apothanein kerdos and ask an atheist? It's located in the Soapbox Debate thread just below apologetics. They delve into issues like this in a way I thought was pretty interesting.

[ollkiller]

Hello roselady:

I think it is a common misconception that atheists lack morals, or lack a sufficient foundation on which to base their morals. "Without absolute law, how can you know right from wrong?"

It is my testimony that belief in God is not required for me to lead a moral life. I make an effort to be loving and kind to others, and I am raising my children to think for themselves and to be loving and kind as well. What more does one need as a moral foundation?

In an atheist's worldview, there is no right and wrong nor is any action preferable to any other. According to atheists, we are just by-products of the universe's processes. One life form may not like something that another life form does, but according to that worldview, it cannot say that it is wrong, because there is no absolute standard. Therefore, how could an atheist even believe in absolute right and wrong?

The fact is that a sense of right and wrong comes from being made in God's image, and you have to go back to the knowledge of God that God Himself has given you in order to even use words such as "right" and "wrong".

Very well said. I don't believe in religions but i have a very strong moral code. AV1611 has a very one-sided view of athiests i think.

[Guest]

"And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder."

Matthew 21:44

but i have a very strong moral code

Faith

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Romans 10:9-10

Faithless

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Jeremiah 17:9

Now

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

1 John 1:8-10

Later

For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Romans 14:11

Grace

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

Isaiah 1:18

Graceless

But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

Proverbs 8:36

There Are No Neutrals In Spiritual Warfare

He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Matthew 12:30

Moral Codes Do Not Substitute For The Blood

In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Ephesians 1:7

Moral Codes Do Not Make Stone Into Flesh

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Ezekiel 36:26

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Love, Joe