UK - police helmet-mounted cameras

[buckthesystem]

Firstly: BUCKTHESYSTEM IS FEMALE AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN!!!!!! Anyway, sorry to over-react, I guess it is not all that important anyway.

Now you tell us.

Should be Doethesystem?

Firstly: BUCKTHESYSTEM IS FEMALE AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN!!!!!! Anyway, sorry to over-react, I guess it is not all that important anyway.

Now you tell us.

Should be Doethesystem?

I didn't know that... If Buckthesystem changes to Doethesystem, then I vote to change the name of this thread to Bobby-Vision!

EH????

I just don

[buckthesystem]

Must apologise, I must have been in too much of a hurry to think about what I was doing.

Context! Man, context! You have absolutely taken the above comment out of context. It was to do with the type settings, not anything else.

If you want to get a little dig in, you have to do better than that.

[buckthesystem]

There are never enough police to do the job

Policemen cannot be everywhere

Camera,s show you what happens as apposed to what a policeman tells you he saw

Camera,s are not supposed to make judgement calls?

Maybe this discusion should be based on where camera,s should be placed and where not to place them

The problem is with "zero tolerance." For example, I drive through a red light and the camera takes my picture. It doesn't know I am rushing my friend who just had a heart attack to the hospital. A few days later I get a ticket in the mail and have to take a day off work to go for my day in court. The judge lets me off, of coirse, but meanwhile I missed work and had to be inconvenienced all because a camera was doing a job a cop should have been doing. That's what I mean by judgment call. A cop could have pulled me over, seen what was happening and given me an escort to the hospital. Folks, we are are way too reliant on technology; nothing can replace human beings.

Cameras also do not always show everything and images on a screen can be misinterpreted.

I agree about placement. Cameras caught my assault and contributed to the eventual capture of the thugs. But, they were in a very large parkinglot and it was very late at night. In that kind of situation I think they are a useful aid. I think they are useful on private property or in buildings where sensitive work is being done. But they should never be used to enforce laws, only to aid human beings who should be enforcing laws. As a taxpayer, I want to see a uniformed police presense, not some camera that may or may not be working.

Yes, But here is my experience. I parked my car at the local hospital in an area that was not for parking because the whole car park was full. I got a ticket for this, But when I apealed. They checked this on the camera and agreed that I was within my righs and let me off. In your situation if you were trying to save one life by risking other lives and driving like crazy then please please yes lets do have camera,s on top of traffic lights. I guess your country is not as good as ours in that aspect. If someone is that sick we just call for the helecopter. It would have to be death threatning though before they would send the helicopter. As far as camera,s not showing everything. That all depends on what they are set too, That can be corrected in some cases, But true not all. We do have policemen too, There just extremely difficult to spot I too would like to see more policemen around, Not completely just cameras

Sure you went through the process of appealing a "ticket" issued for parking illegally at the hospital. You say without the camera you would not have had proof of where you parked. Well, what springs to my mind is that you had to go to all the trouble of appealing the "ticket", attending court - possibly necessitating a day off work (lost pay), incredible inconvience, and you had to go through the process of trying to reason with a bureaucrat. I am suprised that the appeal was successful as the average mind of the average bureaucrat does not seem to work logically. Do you want to have to put up with CCTV surveillance just on the off chance that you will get a "ticket" and be able to appeal it successfully.

I don't like speed cameras because just after they were brought in here (yet another thing BTW that the public were "overwhelmingly against") an elderly couple living down the street from us "got a speed camera fine" in the mail. This threw the old man into a bit of a state of confusion because he had been used to handling things using reason, not dealing with "bureaucrat-logic" and the old woman had never handled anything at all outside the home in all their lives and was a bit confused at the best of times. They were pensioners and lived on "the smell of an oily rag". It seemed that the car had been parked in their driveway and one night was stolen and taken for a "joy ride" but was never reported stolen mainly because the next afternoon their son had spotted the car in a nearby paddock, and picked up his father and they went down and got the car. It was nearly a month later that the "ticket" arrived, but it was clearly for the date that the car would have been stolen. The son wrote to the "transport department" on behalf of his father, but do you think that this explanation was accepted, or believed?

No, of course not, they got a very sarcastic, nasty reply, accusing them of lying and making up stories.

The old man contacted the "community law centre" and they advised him: "it would be cheaper, and less stressful, in the long run, to just pay the ticket".

The only evidence that the car had, in fact, been stolen was that it had the seat moved as forward as it could get (thereby indicating that a young teenager was probably responsible) and the front of the car was a bit dented and muddy. The old man could not have done that as he was a very careful driver.

However, after stressing over it for a while the old couple duly paid the price of the "ticket" and "penalties". To do meant, of course, that they had to go without food for a few days. This, in my mind, was extortion by the government from some of the most vulnerable people in society.

Since then I have heard of other horrible stories. These are always well publicised but, with the many "sheep" praising speed cameras and surveillance cameras, the extortion continues.

[Guest man]

Must apologise, I must have been in too much of a hurry to think about what I was doing.

Context! Man, context! You have absolutely taken the above comment out of context. It was to do with the type settings, not anything else.

If you want to get a little dig in, you have to do better than that.

Oh settle down.

[ted]

Firstly: BUCKTHESYSTEM IS FEMALE AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN!!!!!! Anyway, sorry to over-react, I guess it is not all that important anyway.

Now you tell us.

Should be Doethesystem?

Firstly: BUCKTHESYSTEM IS FEMALE AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN!!!!!! Anyway, sorry to over-react, I guess it is not all that important anyway.

Now you tell us.

Should be Doethesystem?

I didn't know that... If Buckthesystem changes to Doethesystem, then I vote to change the name of this thread to Bobby-Vision!

EH????

I just don

[Scarletprayers]

Marnie...........................I'm surprised, I don't mind the cameras at all. Yeah, I know Buck..............I'm too sensetive.

[AMK]

Yes, But here is my experience. I parked my car at the local hospital in an area that was not for parking because the whole car park was full. I got a ticket for this, But when I apealed. They checked this on the camera and agreed that I was within my righs and let me off. In your situation if you were trying to save one life by risking other lives and driving like crazy then please please yes lets do have camera,s on top of traffic lights. I guess your country is not as good as ours in that aspect. If someone is that sick we just call for the helecopter. It would have to be death threatning though before they would send the helicopter. As far as camera,s not showing everything. That all depends on what they are set too, That can be corrected in some cases, But true not all. We do have policemen too, There just extremely difficult to spot I too would like to see more policemen around, Not completely just cameras

I don't drive crazy. You misinterpret speed for recklessness; the two are not necessarily the same. My example was an extreme one, though. Again, having to take the time to appeal a ticket you would never have gotten had a parking attendant seen you, is a good reason to ditch the camera. Frankly, I have better things to do than wait around to appeal a ticket, perhaps you don't.

My point, though, is that we are too reliant on technology; it makes the human component lazy. Technology should serve us, not the other way around.

Yes I agree that we should not serve them. However I will admit that I could be classed as one of the lazy ones. I am the type that pays the cleaner to do my dishes and clean my house because I cannot be bothered doing it myself Oh how I would love a robot that did that Robots do what they are programed to do. People on the other hand can be difficult to work with! There is a vacum cleaner however that works on its own. Thats not bad. I am also in luck regading parking tickets. If I catch the warden putting one on my car,I just speak to them in english. Sometimes they cannot be bothered with the hasle and let me go. It happens with the older norwegians often in other area,s too because they dont understand english too well

[AMK]

There are never enough police to do the job

Policemen cannot be everywhere

Camera,s show you what happens as apposed to what a policeman tells you he saw

Camera,s are not supposed to make judgement calls?

Maybe this discusion should be based on where camera,s should be placed and where not to place them

The problem is with "zero tolerance." For example, I drive through a red light and the camera takes my picture. It doesn't know I am rushing my friend who just had a heart attack to the hospital. A few days later I get a ticket in the mail and have to take a day off work to go for my day in court. The judge lets me off, of coirse, but meanwhile I missed work and had to be inconvenienced all because a camera was doing a job a cop should have been doing. That's what I mean by judgment call. A cop could have pulled me over, seen what was happening and given me an escort to the hospital. Folks, we are are way too reliant on technology; nothing can replace human beings.

Cameras also do not always show everything and images on a screen can be misinterpreted.

I agree about placement. Cameras caught my assault and contributed to the eventual capture of the thugs. But, they were in a very large parkinglot and it was very late at night. In that kind of situation I think they are a useful aid. I think they are useful on private property or in buildings where sensitive work is being done. But they should never be used to enforce laws, only to aid human beings who should be enforcing laws. As a taxpayer, I want to see a uniformed police presense, not some camera that may or may not be working.

Yes, But here is my experience. I parked my car at the local hospital in an area that was not for parking because the whole car park was full. I got a ticket for this, But when I apealed. They checked this on the camera and agreed that I was within my righs and let me off. In your situation if you were trying to save one life by risking other lives and driving like crazy then please please yes lets do have camera,s on top of traffic lights. I guess your country is not as good as ours in that aspect. If someone is that sick we just call for the helecopter. It would have to be death threatning though before they would send the helicopter. As far as camera,s not showing everything. That all depends on what they are set too, That can be corrected in some cases, But true not all. We do have policemen too, There just extremely difficult to spot I too would like to see more policemen around, Not completely just cameras

Sure you went through the process of appealing a "ticket" issued for parking illegally at the hospital. You say without the camera you would not have had proof of where you parked. Well, what springs to my mind is that you had to go to all the trouble of appealing the "ticket", attending court - possibly necessitating a day off work (lost pay), incredible inconvience, and you had to go through the process of trying to reason with a bureaucrat. I am suprised that the appeal was successful as the average mind of the average bureaucrat does not seem to work logically. Do you want to have to put up with CCTV surveillance just on the off chance that you will get a "ticket" and be able to appeal it successfully.

I don't like speed cameras because just after they were brought in here (yet another thing BTW that the public were "overwhelmingly against") an elderly couple living down the street from us "got a speed camera fine" in the mail. This threw the old man into a bit of a state of confusion because he had been used to handling things using reason, not dealing with "bureaucrat-logic" and the old woman had never handled anything at all outside the home in all their lives and was a bit confused at the best of times. They were pensioners and lived on "the smell of an oily rag". It seemed that the car had been parked in their driveway and one night was stolen and taken for a "joy ride" but was never reported stolen mainly because the next afternoon their son had spotted the car in a nearby paddock, and picked up his father and they went down and got the car. It was nearly a month later that the "ticket" arrived, but it was clearly for the date that the car would have been stolen. The son wrote to the "transport department" on behalf of his father, but do you think that this explanation was accepted, or believed?

No, of course not, they got a very sarcastic, nasty reply, accusing them of lying and making up stories.

The old man contacted the "community law centre" and they advised him: "it would be cheaper, and less stressful, in the long run, to just pay the ticket".

The only evidence that the car had, in fact, been stolen was that it had the seat moved as forward as it could get (thereby indicating that a young teenager was probably responsible) and the front of the car was a bit dented and muddy. The old man could not have done that as he was a very careful driver.

However, after stressing over it for a while the old couple duly paid the price of the "ticket" and "penalties". To do meant, of course, that they had to go without food for a few days. This, in my mind, was extortion by the government from some of the most vulnerable people in society.

Since then I have heard of other horrible stories. These are always well publicised but, with the many "sheep" praising speed cameras and surveillance cameras, the extortion continues.

Actualy the price of apealing was one local telephone call Personaly if I someone came to me and asked for help because they had a speeding ticket that was not theres based on a car theft that tehy had either not reported or waited til the following afternoon to report it, I would be suspicous too. Even if it was the truth, In these days the odds are against them.

[Marnie]

Marnie...........................I'm surprised, I don't mind the cameras at all. Yeah, I know Buck..............I'm too sensetive.

Yeah, well you're photogenic. Some of us just end up looking crazy in our pictures. Actually, as I posted, under the right circumstances, cameras serve a purpose. It's when technology takes the place of human beings that it becomes troublesome.

[Adarian]

The nations have forgotten God, and prayer, therefore people behave in a lawless fashion, displaying hatred, scorn, contempt, violence, theft, and utter lack of respect for the law and for other people. So, in the absence of faith, we must have grievously invasive public monitoring, to pander to the desire of the ungodly to not be caught doing wrong, and to provide security to everybody else whose desire is to be left unmolested by the yahoos.

I don't particularly like the cameras, but there have been many times that I have wished I had a dashboard camera, just because people do so many stupid, rude things.