Do this in remembrance of Me

[LightofJesus]

With deep respect to all believers in Jesus, especially Catholic believers, and I was one, so I do know what I am talking about.

The fact of the matter is this and no amount of retoric by any church, especially the Catholic Church can change Scripture.

Scripture proves the Lords supper is the outward rite in which believers eat broken bread, not flesh, and drink the fruit of the vine, not blood. to COMMEMORATE the broken body and the shed blood of Jesus Christ until He comes again (READ, Matt. 26:26-30; Mark 14:17-25; Luke 22:14-20; 1 Cor. 11:20-30), there is not excuse for believing otherwise.

The "symbols," the "bread" and the "wine," will always remain just that, "literal bread and wine" regardless of who or what prayer is said over them. No man can change these elements into Jesus Christs real flesh and blood in any sense. To believe otherwise is pure paganism, idolatry, and superstition.

Transubstantiation was declared and decreed by Pope Innocent 111 in the year 1215 A.D. By this doctrin the priest pretends to perform a daily miracle by changing a wafer into the body of Christ, and then he pretends to eat Him alive in the presence of the people during Mass. The Gospel condems such adsurdities. Holy Communion is simply a memorial of the sacrifice of Christ (Luke 22:19,, 20; John 6:35; 1 Cor:26). The adoration of the wafer (HOST) was invented by Pope Honorius in 1220 A.D. The Catholic Church also made it obligatory to have communion at leats one per week, and even every day if possible. Priests have communion four or five times per day, which means, every time they say mass.

Haz.

Sounds like rituals to me. I believe that we as His church and as His personal child can sit and have a moment to remember Him all by ourselves. I have done this and I always sense His presence each time. Does not say in His Word anywhere we must do this corperately or any certain way but in rememberance of Him. That I do, I do it in rememberance of Him and at times I even use just plain water and a sodium cracker, oh my! We can get so religious on stuff and tooooo ritualistic. We must be careful and just follow the lead of the Holy Spirit.

[Smalcald]

I would disagree but this will just divide us.

We are indeed arguing about scripture and not the teachings of any particular church. My congregation believes the plain words of Christ and Paul, this is My Body, this is My Blood this is not based on anything the Catholic Church has done. Paul further clarifies that this is the true Body and Blood of Christ; he also gives warnings about sickness for not discerning the Body. A commemoration does not make you sick. It comes down to a literal or non-literal reading.

I understand the differences of opinion, but what is more like "religion" something you do for show or for a commemorative ritual, or really believing that communion is the real deal just as Paul said it was?

But we are never going to agree on this, the traditions of our churches just have a different take, and we both feel that they are based only on scripture.

[Floatingaxe]

Those who "sleep" are those who take communion half-heartedly or frivolously, or unworthily--not knowing Jesus Christ, or not coming to the table with a clean heart and hands.

[Wingwalker]

If I were a rich man, yadda didda yadda didda didda didda dda dda, all day long.....

You just had to sing it. Now i cant get it out of my head and my co workers are looking at me very strange.

[Guest]

We hold communion quarterly in my church. I feel it gets too religious if we do it more.

[Fiosh]

Uh oh! Another Catholic sneaked in here. Who was supposed to be checking membership cards at the door?

Ya know. I was wonderin' sumthin'.

If Jesus simply wanted us to remember His sacrifice, why didn't He just say so? Why go thru all the motions with the bread and wine?

Can someone explain that to me? If you believe it's all symbolic, why does He have you jump thru all those hoops just to remember Him?

Thanks,

Fiosh

Because bread means something to God--just as Manna represented something to Israel, bread means the same thing. Just as the water out of the rock meant something to Israel, so does the Blood of Jesus mean the same to us! It is the same as in the OT. Jesus was there in the manna and in the water. He is now in the bread and the cup. Did the Jews eat Jesus literally? No. Do we? No.

John 6:58

This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever

floatingaxe,

How is Jesus "in the bread and the cup"?

Thanks,

F

[Smalcald]

Those who "sleep" are those who take communion half-heartedly or frivolously, or unworthily--not knowing Jesus Christ, or not coming to the table with a clean heart and hands.

Hi Floating ax,

Sleep in the New Testament as used by Paul means death.

[Floatingaxe]

Those who "sleep" are those who take communion half-heartedly or frivolously, or unworthily--not knowing Jesus Christ, or not coming to the table with a clean heart and hands.

Hi Floating ax,

Sleep in the New Testament as used by Paul means death.

Exactly....what a consequence, eh?

[Floatingaxe]

Uh oh! Another Catholic sneaked in here. Who was supposed to be checking membership cards at the door?

Ya know. I was wonderin' sumthin'.

If Jesus simply wanted us to remember His sacrifice, why didn't He just say so? Why go thru all the motions with the bread and wine?

Can someone explain that to me? If you believe it's all symbolic, why does He have you jump thru all those hoops just to remember Him?

Thanks,

Fiosh

Because bread means something to God--just as Manna represented something to Israel, bread means the same thing. Just as the water out of the rock meant something to Israel, so does the Blood of Jesus mean the same to us! It is the same as in the OT. Jesus was there in the manna and in the water. He is now in the bread and the cup. Did the Jews eat Jesus literally? No. Do we? No.

John 6:58

This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever

floatingaxe,

How is Jesus "in the bread and the cup"?

Thanks,

F

How is He not? The bread is an emblem of Jesus, the Bread of Life! He is in the cup, as Living Water, just as in the wilderness for the Israelites. With Him we will never thirst. In the cup of remembrance, as Christ did, we use wine---which is emblematic of His shed blood.

[Fiosh]

Uh oh! Another Catholic sneaked in here. Who was supposed to be checking membership cards at the door?

Ya know. I was wonderin' sumthin'.

If Jesus simply wanted us to remember His sacrifice, why didn't He just say so? Why go thru all the motions with the bread and wine?

Can someone explain that to me? If you believe it's all symbolic, why does He have you jump thru all those hoops just to remember Him?

Thanks,

Fiosh

Because bread means something to God--just as Manna represented something to Israel, bread means the same thing. Just as the water out of the rock meant something to Israel, so does the Blood of Jesus mean the same to us! It is the same as in the OT. Jesus was there in the manna and in the water. He is now in the bread and the cup. Did the Jews eat Jesus literally? No. Do we? No.

John 6:58

This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever

floatingaxe,

How is Jesus "in the bread and the cup"?

Thanks,

F

How is He not? The bread is an emblem of Jesus, the Bread of Life! He is in the cup, as Living Water, just as in the wilderness for the Israelites. With Him we will never thirst. In the cup of remembrance, as Christ did, we use wine---which is emblematic of His shed blood.

So, He's not really "in the cup".....it just represents Him?