Faith vs. Science

[WillingToDie]

Why does it have to be Faith vs. Science? These are not two mutually exclusive things. There are people on both sides of the Evolution/Creationism debate who vehemently claim that science and faith are not at odds with each other.

[Joshua-777]

I agree, Science and Christianity are not at odds, Speculation, and personal opinions are. When one is faced with direct fact, ignores the facts, it is nothing more than speculation.

[cjrose]

I agree, Science and Christianity are not at odds, Speculation, and personal opinions are. When one is faced with direct fact, ignores the facts, it is nothing more than speculation.

If we evolved, why did it stop? Why are apes still apes, monkeys still monkeys? Because we did not evolve!

Faith, I have it and I am a believer in science and theory but the Lord is the Master builder of both! It began with Him and will End with Him. He is the Alpha and the Omega.

I do love those commercials though! especially the one where the "cave man" is in the airport seemingly uncomfortable with his ticket in his hand and as he passes an advertisement "it's so easy even a cave man can do it" he disappears for a couple of seconds and comes back for a double take looking even more embarassed!

[Joshua-777]

It hasn't stopped. Evolution takes millions and millions of years. There's no way to see it happen.

somthing that is impossible to prove, so it's based on faith.

The apes and monkeys that are around today are not the same as the apes and monkeys that were around when early hominid species first evolved. They were different. We didn't evolve from modern-day apes.

once again, has as much proof as there being a creator. All facts found remain as neutral to both claims. So why is evolution, and Christianity separate in the eyes on science, faith in God, or faith in a theory, it still is neutral with facts they've found.

[jeffnevins]

"Faith vs. Science" is a phrase that has even popped up in the movie Nacho Libre (not a film for everyone, but it has its moments).

[Apoptosis]

It hasn't stopped. Evolution takes millions and millions of years. There's no way to see it happen.

somthing that is impossible to prove, so it's based on faith.

The apes and monkeys that are around today are not the same as the apes and monkeys that were around when early hominid species first evolved. They were different. We didn't evolve from modern-day apes.

once again, has as much proof as there being a creator. All facts found remain as neutral to both claims. So why is evolution, and Christianity separate in the eyes on science, faith in God, or faith in a theory, it still is neutral with facts they've found.

Actually, you could prove that they still evolve and its not based on faith. The problem lies that human lifespan does not live long enough to actively observe evolution, however we do see evidence of the result of evolution.

Your claim of evidence to fit creationism is right, it does. BUT so does everything else. I could find a pink unicorn in my backyard and you would indicate God did it. But that explaination in itself explains nothing. (in fact the way that every evidence fits creationism or intelligent design means its unfalsifiable, a character required of a SCIENTIFIC theory, so by that standard, ID and Creationism is not even science.)

Lets look at another example, suppose that you were living in the dark ages, and a visitor from the future produced you a lightbulb which to you of dark age education standard would be indistinguishable from magic/miracle. You could either Reject it has realworld explainations (such as chemical battery->reductionn/oxidation->direct current/movement of electrons->excitation of filiment) and say that God did it, or be skeptical that it is a miracle and search for the physical cause of this apparent "miracle" and somehow reproduce its effect by yourself.

The former scenario you have zero gain, accepting explaination of god is accepting none-explaination.

The latter you may find that it works on a sound physical principle and able to produce its effect and benifit the people of your country by giving them eletricity.

Edited December 17, 2006 by Apoptosis

[Guest PastorHickery]

Science is evil.

[Apoptosis]

Science is evil.

I'm sure it is, considering it only saved a few million if not billions of people from starvation and disease.

[WillingToDie]

Science is evil.

Thank you for that incredibly insightful, brilliant comment which adds so much to the present discussion.

[ted]

Science is evil.

I'm sure it is, considering it only saved a few million if not billions of people from starvation and disease.

Only to later blow them up in high-tech wars.

t.