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[PBfoot]

I believe that Stalone correctly identified that sanctification is a life-long process. Jesus wants us to still be in the world, to salt it. So Stalone is in the worldliest of worlds, and has great opps to salt. Doesn't make him perfect, even as Mel Gibson is not perfect.

As far as the beer job goes, I'm sure there are many many lines of work where something is done which is not God-pleasing. There are millions of Christians who work for atheist and worse bosses and owners. Should they all just walk aways? Should I try to overthrow my immoral govenment? Should I stop paying taxes? I believe it was Solomon who warned us that being "too righteous" was not good either. I believe he meant to say that we shouldn't separate ourselves from others with some superiority complex.

There was the short-live Christianity of Bob Dylan. Ther difference is that Stalone was instructed as a child about Jesus. Maybe not perfectly, but it makes a diff. "Train up a child in the way he should go..."

[spiritman]

I believe that Stalone correctly identified that sanctification is a life-long process. Jesus wants us to still be in the world, to salt it. So Stalone is in the worldliest of worlds, and has great opps to salt. Doesn't make him perfect, even as Mel Gibson is not perfect.

As far as the beer job goes, I'm sure there are many many lines of work where something is done which is not God-pleasing. There are millions of Christians who work for atheist and worse bosses and owners. Should they all just walk aways? Should I try to overthrow my immoral govenment? Should I stop paying taxes? I believe it was Solomon who warned us that being "too righteous" was not good either. I believe he meant to say that we shouldn't separate ourselves from others with some superiority complex.

There was the short-live Christianity of Bob Dylan. Ther difference is that Stalone was instructed as a child about Jesus. Maybe not perfectly, but it makes a diff. "Train up a child in the way he should go..."

Well pb I guess you have your convictions and I have mine. I asked a member earlier a question, that she really didn't answer so I'll ask it again. Should a stripper who is saved continute in her line of work for the sake of witnessing.

or perhaps a prostitute after being saved can witness to her johns huh???

[spiritman]

PBfoot said

As far as the beer job goes, I'm sure there are many many lines of work where something is done which is not God-pleasing. There are millions of Christians who work for atheist and worse bosses and owners. Should they all just walk aways?

What honor does a Christian selling beer or alcohol bring bring to our Lord? I know many people who have left these kinds of jobs, went to work in McDonalds or some other place more suitable that does not bring dishonor to our Lord. And the Lord has promised He will always provide for our needs, so there is really no reason for a Christian to stay in a profession that brings dishonor to His name. If a Christian is trusting the Lord, the Lord will always open up another door for him, and usually far better than the job he left for the Lord. As far as Christians working for atheists, they can be a witness for our Lord in word and deed, so this is a different situation altogether.

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Amen tmr; I have been misunderstood here, some people think that I'm bashing stollen, and I'm not, or anyother actor or actress that chooses to be a Christian. However if an actress or actor, Chooses to be a Christian, then they should choose rolls that reflect their choice.

We should not as Christians do any thing that reflects poorly on our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. During Jesus's time in the desert Satan tempted Him with all the kingdoms of this world, if Jesus would just bow down and worship him, Jesus of course did not fall for this.

However I believe some in the church got the same temptation and fell for it hook line and sinker. Jesus plainly tells us, to not seek the things of this earth, that will rust, thiefs will steal, and moths will eat. but seek the Kingdom of God, and His rightousness, and all our needs willl be added to us.

So I ask; What are you the church seeking today? is it the American dream? or is it the will of God?. As far as working a regular job I don't have a problem with that; however; again if that job defiles the name of Christ in any way, or gets in the way of Us serving Him, I say time to get a new job.

[PBfoot]

First of all, do you think that McDonalds hasn't killed anyone? I'm not so sure of that. Secondly, I don't think a stripper could continue to be a stripper. And, yes, I'd have a problem with some roles in Hollywood if I were an actor. But I'm not sure that, suddenly, Stallone has a perfect understanding of God's will the instant he is saved. And, the whole point of acting is playing someone you are not. If the point of a movie is to show how someone was lost and rotten and then found redemption, that's gonna have to be portrayed believably. I don't know what his new movie is like, so I can't judge it. BTW, what about all the actors in the new movie about Esther. Are they Christian? Or are they just acting? What about the Jewish people in the Mel Gibson flick? They aren't suddenly Christian, so what makes it a Christian film? It's not true to the Bible. It's not even much more than a blood and gore film dressed with a Christian theme. One Night with the King is a glorification of Esther. What about Kurt Cameron, was it wrong of him to be on a sitcom? Now he is no longer there. Give Stallone some time before judging him too harshly.

[LightofJesus]

Here is my take on all that is being said here. When we come to the Lord the Lord changes us and the convictions of our lives begin!! To start throwing stones before they even get a step out the door or to start telling ANYONE how they need to change anything is absolutely GOD"S business not ours. If God wants them out of whatever they are in the desire to leave whatever they are in will come. Yes Hollywood is a dark place but the light of Jesus needs to shine there too. Please remember brothers and sisters we are to be light EVERYWHERE we go. Jesus sat and ate with sinners and was persecuted for it. We are also to sit with sinners and sup with them. Amen?

[PBfoot]

Note to self: Posts get a little incoherent late at night. Do not post after brain goes to sleep

[RustyAngeL]

I'm not disagreeing with you that it is a problem.

however, do youbelieve Jesus would rather poitn fingers at them or pray for them - for conviction, repentance, strength, the ability to stand agains the pressures, the means to truly make a change and a difference, etc.?

So, Lets say for example, a stripper working in a strip joint, gets saved. Should she remain at her current profession, for the sake of witnessing to others?. After all this is considered the enteraiment industry as well.

I agree with everything you have said, spiritman. When a person's life is transformed by the renewing power of Jesus Christ and the indwelling Holy Spirit, he/she does not live in their old ways. Their commitment is to serve the Lord Jesus. Many celebrities, politicians, and well known televangelists, and pastors who claim they were called of God, claim to a Christian, but by their fruits you shall know them. Unless they are discipled in sound doctrine from a sound bible believing church, and reading the scriptures daily and living the scriptures and applying them to their lives, nothings really changed. A Christian's life is one of sacrifice, spent serving the Lord.

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Amen Tmr I do hope and pray that Stollone is sincere in his walk with Christ. only time will tell..

I agree. Like anyone of us, you will know them by their fruits. Time will tell indeed.

[nebula]

Amen tmr; I have been misunderstood here, some people think that I'm bashing stollen, and I'm not, or anyother actor or actress that chooses to be a Christian. However if an actress or actor, Chooses to be a Christian, then they should choose rolls that reflect their choice.

We should not as Christians do any thing that reflects poorly on our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. During Jesus's time in the desert Satan tempted Him with all the kingdoms of this world, if Jesus would just bow down and worship him, Jesus of course did not fall for this.

However I believe some in the church got the same temptation and fell for it hook line and sinker. Jesus plainly tells us, to not seek the things of this earth, that will rust, thiefs will steal, and moths will eat. but seek the Kingdom of God, and His rightousness, and all our needs willl be added to us.

So I ask; What are you the church seeking today? is it the American dream? or is it the will of God?. As far as working a regular job I don't have a problem with that; however; again if that job defiles the name of Christ in any way, or gets in the way of Us serving Him, I say time to get a new job.

Spiritman -

I'm not meaning to say I have disagreed with what you are saying. In fact, when I first heard the report about Christians in Hollywood, I was completely shocked and angered.

But it was later brought to my attention just what they are surrounded by and what they are given to work with. . . .

It's a spiritual battle, and someone needs to fight it.

So, I decided that instead of being mad at them and insisting that they ought to quit acting and leave Hollywood and all that -

I will pray that their spiritual eyes will be opened, that they will decide to ban together to make change rather than going with the flow (or allow themselves to be bullied by the flow), that the spirit that rules Hollywood would be come against, and things like that.

WE do not need a Christian mass exodus from Hollywood - we need the Christians there to become salt and light.

If I want to see that happen, then I need to pray for it to happen.

Wagging my finger at the ones who aren't being salt and light will not accomplish anything.

[spiritman]

Amen tmr; I have been misunderstood here, some people think that I'm bashing stollen, and I'm not, or anyother actor or actress that chooses to be a Christian. However if an actress or actor, Chooses to be a Christian, then they should choose rolls that reflect their choice.

We should not as Christians do any thing that reflects poorly on our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. During Jesus's time in the desert Satan tempted Him with all the kingdoms of this world, if Jesus would just bow down and worship him, Jesus of course did not fall for this.

However I believe some in the church got the same temptation and fell for it hook line and sinker. Jesus plainly tells us, to not seek the things of this earth, that will rust, thiefs will steal, and moths will eat. but seek the Kingdom of God, and His rightousness, and all our needs willl be added to us.

So I ask; What are you the church seeking today? is it the American dream? or is it the will of God?. As far as working a regular job I don't have a problem with that; however; again if that job defiles the name of Christ in any way, or gets in the way of Us serving Him, I say time to get a new job.

Spiritman -

I'm not meaning to say I have disagreed with what you are saying. In fact, when I first heard the report about Christians in Hollywood, I was completely shocked and angered.

But it was later brought to my attention just what they are surrounded by and what they are given to work with. . . .

It's a spiritual battle, and someone needs to fight it.

So, I decided that instead of being mad at them and insisting that they ought to quit acting and leave Hollywood and all that -

I will pray that their spiritual eyes will be opened, that they will decide to ban together to make change rather than going with the flow (or allow themselves to be bullied by the flow), that the spirit that rules Hollywood would be come against, and things like that.

WE do not need a Christian mass exodus from Hollywood - we need the Christians there to become salt and light.

If I want to see that happen, then I need to pray for it to happen.

Wagging my finger at the ones who aren't being salt and light will not accomplish anything.

Yes neb, I agree that if an actor or actress can get roles that are good, this is great!!!. but; on the other hand, if they are tempted to take a role that does not reflect Christ, then I'm opposed to them continuing in their profession. We can not serve God and Mammon.

[spiritman]

First of all, do you think that McDonalds hasn't killed anyone? I'm not so sure of that. Secondly, I don't think a stripper could continue to be a stripper. And, yes, I'd have a problem with some roles in Hollywood if I were an actor. But I'm not sure that, suddenly, Stallone has a perfect understanding of God's will the instant he is saved. And, the whole point of acting is playing someone you are not. If the point of a movie is to show how someone was lost and rotten and then found redemption, that's gonna have to be portrayed believably. I don't know what his new movie is like, so I can't judge it. BTW, what about all the actors in the new movie about Esther. Are they Christian? Or are they just acting? What about the Jewish people in the Mel Gibson flick? They aren't suddenly Christian, so what makes it a Christian film? It's not true to the Bible. It's not even much more than a blood and gore film dressed with a Christian theme. One Night with the King is a glorification of Esther. What about Kurt Cameron, was it wrong of him to be on a sitcom? Now he is no longer there. Give Stallone some time before judging him too harshly.

PB; I'm not judging stallone, Only the word of God can rightly judge a man. Time will tell as far as stallones walk will go, you guys really need to read my posts more carefully.