A Question for those who keep Sunday

[billie]

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Debate the subject, not the person. It is possible to disagree about a doctrine or subject under discussion without insulting the person with whom you are debating. Also remember that the fact that a person disagrees with you does not mean they are attacking you as a person. Respect each other in the love of God!

If we're to disagree, let's do it in love, okay?

[Beta]

Nana, I'm sure there are lots of things none of us know yet

You asked why Mary did not rush off to prepare the Lord's body on the friday ?

It does not matter what you or i think should have happened but what scripture says, remember 1Cor.15 v 4 ?

Lk.23 v 56 , The women went to buy spices and returned.(we don't know how long that took considering they could not hop on a Bus or drive a car) Then prepared spices and ointments which must have taken the rest of the day since all their work had to be done by sunset. Not enough time would have prevented them from anointing the Lord's body. and they rested on the Sabbath (weekly) according to the Commandment. Need I or scripture say more ?

Palm-sunday as you know it is not a scriptural Holy Day so does not figure in Jesus' burial and resurrection.

Btw, no I did not read your link, I have scripture.

[nanasimmons]

Nana, I'm sure there are lots of things none of us know yet

You asked why Mary did not rush off to prepare the Lord's body on the friday ?

It does not matter what you or i think should have happened but what scripture says, remember 1Cor.15 v 4 ?

Lk.23 v 56 , The women went to buy spices and returned.(we don't know how long that took considering they could not hop on a Bus or drive a car) Then prepared spices and ointments which must have taken the rest of the day since all their work had to be done by sunset. Not enough time would have prevented them from anointing the Lord's body. and they rested on the Sabbath (weekly) according to the Commandment. Need I or scripture say more ?

Palm-sunday as you know it is not a scriptural Holy Day so does not figure in Jesus' burial and resurrection.

Btw, no I did not read your link, I have scripture.

Your probably right, Mary didn't have time for"GOD THE SON" on Friday, what's a couple more days, it's only the rotting corpse of God's and her Son,right.?( Scripure shows that none of discilpes or Mary were expecting Him to be ressurected.)

If you are reading the scriptures and don't have outside influences,then, I'm sure you will get it, eventually

Sorry for trying to help you, I won't try again...I'll turn the other cheek when you insult my brothers and sisters by calling them decieved by satan...

Nana

[HolyHands]

The question should be, "what is the proper way to observe the Sabbath?"

The answer to that question is, "in Christ"

But one may say, "Yeah, but what day"

The answer is, "The day that the Lord has made"

But one may say, "Which one?"

The answer is, "The one you're living in, you may not live to see another!"

The Sabbath is for man, not man for the Sabbath, and when we get into a way of thinking and Teaching that the right way to observe the Lord's day is on any particular day of the week over the other, we get way deep in trouble with legalism.

There's more to be said about this. You could easily study more by learning about the two covenants (new vs. old)

In other words, New Testament and Old Testament. I'm not suggesting that the old is no use, just suggesting studying what it means when the New Covenant comes. I use the Old Testament all the time for my sermons.

I hope this help and you've enjoyed!

God bless!

Jason

Beautiful!!!

[Beta]

Nana, why are you making disrespectful remarks about Jesus ?

I just told you FROM SCRIPTURE why the women could not anoint Jesus on the friday and you say they did not care ?

Why do you feel you should help me - we can both read the scriptures and they are as plain as day. What is there not to understand about the women buying and preparing spices and ointments on the friday ?

[nanasimmons]

Nana, why are you making disrespectful remarks about Jesus ?

I just told you FROM SCRIPTURE why the women could not anoint Jesus on the friday and you say they did not care ?

Why do you feel you should help me - we can both read the scriptures and they are as plain as day. What is there not to understand about the women buying and preparing spices and ointments on the friday ?

I don't believe Christ was in the grave on Friday morn.,you do.If He were, I believe Mary would have been there,without a doubt, "while it was still dark" on Prepration day/Friday(before they named it 'Friday'), instead of the first day as the scriptures said. But you don't believe that......I do...

[TomPJr]

First of all, why do you keep it? And why are there those who keep it strictly, but others who go to church, then do everything like it was any other day? This is something I've never understood.

For those who believe the Sabbath was changed from the 7th day to the first, why do you believe this? Are there any here who keep Sunday because that's just the way it's always been done in your family and you never really thought about it?

The Sabbath did not change from the 7th to the first. The Sabbath day is entirely different than the First Day of the week.

The Sabbath Day was a covanant made with the Jews as a day of rest as God created everything in 6 days and rested on the seventh. Being as thus he commanded his people, the Jews to do the same.

The First Day of the Week was instituted by Christ for the rememberance of he death and shedding of his blood for man. On this day we meet together for the taking of the Lord's Supper.

So, basically the Sabbath was set up for the Jews under the Old Covenant and the First Day of the Week was set up for the Christians under the New Covenant.

Sunday is not the new Sabbath Day.

Is that what your pastor told you? That certainly is not what the Bible says! The Sabbath was given to all mankind in the garden of Eden, way before there ever was a Jew. It is for everybody. God is the same yesterday, today, and tomarrow. The bible never says that new testament christians should honor Sunday. In fact Jesus kept the Seventh day Sabbath. And the apostles kept it after his death. Check it out! They are new testament christians!

All the gentiles, when converted, kept the Sabbath too.

Sunday worship was adopted from pagan Rome as a way to bring the pagans into the church. Unfortunately, Nobody but God has the authority to nullify his law. You see... it was a big compromise to create unity. This is mans idea. God never okay'd it.

Read your bible and see what the inspired word of God actually says; Not just what you want to believe to be accepted by society, your family, or your job. the only reason that people reject the truth is because it moves them from their comfort zone, so they hear what they want to hear. Remember, the pharisees were having the people keep traditions of men over the commandments of God. Jesus warned them about that. Also...the Sabbath isn't made to be burdensome either. Jesus did not do away with it. he explained it.

I tell you this not for my profit, for I profit nothing, but God is Glorified. Is it not Gods will for us to keep his commandments?

It's funny that noone has a problem with the other nine commandments, but they want to forget the only one that starts with remember. You might think that God knew that people would forget this one.

[TomPJr]

The question should be, "what is the proper way to observe the Sabbath?"

The answer to that question is, "in Christ"

But one may say, "Yeah, but what day"

The answer is, "The day that the Lord has made"

But one may say, "Which one?"

The answer is, "The one you're living in, you may not live to see another!"

The Sabbath is for man, not man for the Sabbath, and when we get into a way of thinking and Teaching that the right way to observe the Lord's day is on any particular day of the week over the other, we get way deep in trouble with legalism.

There's more to be said about this. You could easily study more by learning about the two covenants (new vs. old)

In other words, New Testament and Old Testament. I'm not suggesting that the old is no use, just suggesting studying what it means when the New Covenant comes. I use the Old Testament all the time for my sermons.

I hope this help and you've enjoyed!

God bless!

Jason

Beautiful!!!

Everyone always bring up legalizm. that's just another excuse! For one... The only difference between the new and old covenants is that they were to keep the old by their power and failed. In the New covenant Jesus says that " I will write my laws in your hearts". He still wants us to keep his commandments, and he gives us power to do so if we allow him. Sin is defined as the transgression of Gods Laws. Jesus told Mary Magdalin to go and sin no more. Would he tell her to do the impossible? I don't think so. It's all about your sphere of knowledge. If you are faithfull with little, more will be given to you. You are judged by what you do with what you know. I think we all know that we are supposed to obey God. There is a remedy if we do sin, but that's no excuse to keep on sinning intentionally. If we intentionally desregard Gods law, it is sin to us. Eventually if you keep on ignoring the Holy spirit, he will stop talking to you. Then you'll be in trouble, for we need the Spirit to convict us of our sin, and the need of repentence. I hope you do understand that we do need to do something to be saved. We need to repent! It takes more than just belief. Even Satan and his angels believe and tremble.

I wish people could take the bible for what it says.

if you show me in the bible where it says we no longer need to keep the laws of god or the fourth one in particular,

I'll show you where you have been decieved!

with love in Jesus name,

Tom

[Live4Eternity]

When I was five years old, my mother joined the Seventh-day Adventist church. I was at the end of my kindergarten year and about to graduate into first grade. I remember going to a big auditorium and seeing my mother being baptized. I didn't know how dramatically this would impact my entire life.

I attended SDA schools 1st-12th and was baptized at the age of ten. I was obedient for the most part, I believed in the church as I grew older, but so many questions were always in my mind. At around age 11, I had a terrible stomach ache and prayed to God that if He would take my stomach ache away I would read the Bible everyday for the rest of my life. It immediately went away and I had a promise to keep, praise the Lord for that stomach ache!

For the next 9 or 10years I kept my promise and at times the scriptures troubled me. I remember around the 9th grade reading Romans 14 and feeling very confused. Paul says "One person esteems one day above another; another esteems everyday alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day observes it to the Lord" I thought, well that seems pretty clear but surely it doesn't mean what I think it means. Then he went on to say he considers nothing unclean in itself..... These verses troubled me, lots of things troubled me. I thought about Billy Graham and what a great man of God he seemed to be and thought, "Why doesn't he know about the sabbath?" I'd pass a church of some other denomination and see it being built on to and think, "Why are they being blessed with more members?" As I got older I started noticing the attitudes and lives of other christians and could see and feel their joy and when I went to my own church I saw a group of people with solemn faces, little emotion, they all seemed so sad to me. I knew I was sad but it must be because I wasn't trying hard enough to be close to God. I tried to read the Bible but it became a chore and I tried to read Ellen White but even as a child I didn't like her and could never seem to find any common ground with her. She seemed like an extremist to me and I avoided her.

Some years later my neighbors invited me to church, after saying no several times I finally agreed to go. I could see somethig very different with these people...........long story short.........I wanted to "save " them from their error.

I got my Bible out and looked up every scripture I could find under sabbath, then commandment, then law. As I read the words before me I couldn't believe my eyes! I was reading about faith and grace and old covenent and new covenent and laws of Moses and Commandments left after the cross and I prayed, "God, show me the sabbath so that I can enlighten these people. Lord, they're good people and they need the truth, help me out here!" I still read what I thought to be saying I am under grace and not works or the law.

I was at work on a Tuesday before lunch and got the dreaded call from daycare that my son was sick and I had to pick him up. I seldom miss work and I never like to be out, but I had to go home. I picked my son up and he was sick! I prayed for the Lord to make him well so I could go to work the next morning, I had faith and I got up Wednesday at the regular time to get ready and he was still sick. I took the opportunity to study my Bible some more. This went on for the rest of the week. At some point in the week I changed my prayer to: "God, I want to do your will, these scriptures seem to be pointing me to something I've never been taught and I need to know this is your will. Whatever your will is, I want to do it." He led me to scripture after scripture explaining to me so plainly that Jesus died on the cross to save me from my sin and the ordinances of the law and that was the only thing that could save me! I felt like a million pounds had been lifted off of me and I was so happy and excited, I just had to call everyone and tell them! I called my cousin who recently started going back to the SDA church about my revelation and she assured me that I still had to keep the 4th commandment despite the grace. I knew it didn't say in there anywhere that I had to go to church on Sunday, so was she right? I searched some more and prayed and found Hebrews 4:4-9: For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: And God rested on the seventh day from all His works"; and again in this place: They shall not enter My Rest." Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and to those whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, again He designates a certain day, saying in David, "Today," after such a long time, as it has been said: Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts." For if Joshua had given them rest, he He would not afterward have spoken of another day. There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.

WOW!!!! It wasn't a day, it was a permanent peace, a rest like you can never know until you've been saved by grace! I noticed it was capitalized too. I prayed, "Lord, let me know without a shadow of a doubt that it is true!" Next, he sent me to Hebrews 10:32&35: ( But recall the former days in which after you were illuminated, you endured a great struggle with sufferings: and joyfully accepted the plundering of your goods, knowing that you have a better and enduring possesion for yourselves in heaven. Therefore, do not cast away your confidence which has great reward.) I can not describe to you what I felt when I read those verses, every hair on me stood up, every chill bump came up and the presence of God was so strong I can not find words to describe it. Of course I had years and years of "truth" drilled into me and I still doubted that I was understanding everything. Maybe I should still go to church on the Sabbath. Satan always works hard at stealing our joy and he hates truth, but God is so faithful in revealing His truth to those who honestly seek His face.

A couple of days later my neighbor's sister- in-law, who I had met only once briefly, came to her house to visit. My husband and I were sitting on the front porch, it was a Sunday night and we had been going to the Sunday night service but for some reason we didn't go this time. She asked if I knew where they were and I told her they were at church still but should be getting out soon and she and her husband were welcomed to wait at our house until they returned. Almost immediatlely we began talking and sharing about God and she gave me an awesome testimony of how she had come to know Christ, so I shared mine and she got this excited look on her face and said, oh, let me tell you about my experience with the Seventh-day Adventists. She said she had gone to a Revelation Seminar and had really been captivated by the teachings and was nearing the end of the week and thought she should join the church. She said she was so troubled by the fact that she had never heard these teachings and really prayed for direction in her decision. She said she had really prayed about it and just didn't feel quite sure, so almost at the end of the seminar she was driving along in her car praying for God to just speak to her and let her know for sure this was what He wanted her to do. Then she heard 2 Peter 3:14. She didn't recognize the verse and kept praying, then she heard it again so strongly she said she had to pull over and get her Bible out and see what the verse said. It reads: Therefore beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; and account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation-as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things in which are some things hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, since you know these things beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and forever, Amen.

She never went back and I never doubted again!

If you have any doubt in your life about anything, claim this promise with faith: James 1:5-7 If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him. But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord;

Shortly after this I had a dream. It was simply a large hand (definately God's hand) drawing a picture of two parralel lines with dirt in the middle of them and drawing specks in the dirt and small circles on either side of the lines. It was very vivid and kept coming back to me so I prayed for meaning. A couple of days later I was getting into my car and noticed the Bible in the back seat was opened. I had not remembered it being opened. In a hurry, I took my son to daycare and when I was getting back into the car I noticed it again so I picked it up, curious to see what it was opened to. It was Mark 4-The Parable of the Soils! After reading it over and over for a few days I still did not understand the meaning. Then the last time I looked I noticed verses 13 and 14 which I hadn't read to yet. It says: ..."Do you not understand this parable? How then will you understand all the parables? The sower sows the Word." Wow! Written in red and spoken by Jesus! I said OK, so show me how to sow the Word! That night SDA Outreach e-mailed me in response to an e-mail I had written thanking them for their site and content and asked me to consider posting my testimony anonymously. Needless to say, I posted but definately not anonymously. I praise God for using me to share with so many and thank Him for entrusting me to sow His Word.

Don't ever take a person's word for anything! There is one word, the Word of God. Within that Word is everything you need to know and God is so willing to show it to you, all you have to do is ask, without doubting!

God Bless you all and may the Spirit of Truth guide you and keep you from all deception.

May God bless, and bless, and bless you! And I know He will. May the hand of God be upon you and your family, may The Lord Jesus Himself be the driving force of your hope and perserverence, may your family be touched with the knowledge of God and the grace and truth He so eagerly is giving away. God bless you!

[Beta]

Nana , you seem to think we can pick and choose what to believe.

If you don't agree with scripture then your argument is with God and we all know where that comes from.

Why don't you read Jh.19 , esp. v 14 , 31. Jesus was crucified on the preparation of the passover, not on the preparation of the weekly Sabbath which would have been friday. The day that followed the crucifixion and burial was a ' HIGH DAY ' an Annual Sabbath and not the weekly one.

Had Jesus been buried on friday sunset he could not have been in the grave 3 days and 3 nights ( till sunday morning ) as he himself had predicted to the Pharisees. Mat.12 v 38 - 40. Why are you arguing with Jesus ? You are on dangerous ground here Nana.