Christian Theocracy

[billie]

Yeah, that was the best part of the movie!

[Joshua-777]

But anyways, yes I believe that american theocracy would be bad, I'll await for Jesus to return, and under his rule, but other than that, I don't feel that faith can be enforced. It doesn't work like that.

And ya that movie, I just didnt like it. I mean the action was alright, just didn't like the message, I understand the "english theocracy" part, and I agree that that would be bad, as for the movie, I didn't like how they turned it into a sob story.

[Adarian]

Romans 9: 1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

We can love or hate what we have for government all we want, but whatever each nation is governed by, it was set up that way by God.

Psalm 9: 17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

Every nation that forgets God will be turned into hell on earth, and never in history has that been more true than this very day.

Proverbs 21: 1 The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.

The earth is and always has been a theocracy ultimately governed by God, except that God has placed men of His choosing in positions of power, who govern according to His will whether they know it or not.

The return of Christ is the great event for which all believers wait. The final theocracy unsullied by the foolishness of corrupt men.

[Smalcald]

It might be kind of interesting to look at some theocracies, in history and now, and see how they have gone.

Certainly Iran comes to mind and of course the Taliban before we overthrew them. But in history we have some examples from Europe, I think ancient Israel was a theocracy; Tibet prior to the communist invasion was a theocracy. So we see a mixed bag.

[billie]

Ancient Israel, assuming they lived by all of the rules set down in the OT, was just as bad.

For most of their history, they did not.

[Floatingaxe]

V. For Vendetta is a pro-homosexual lobbyist movie, and not much else. I got so sick of watching its pro-sinner message that I acually left about 3/4 of the way through the movie.

It projected the message that homosexuals can love just like the rest of us, and deserve happiness with each other.

If you disagree with that, then I have to question your humanity.

They have the ability to love as all humans do, but they love amiss. It's not the love that God can bless... it is a perversion of love.

[Smalcald]

Iran and the Taliban make (made) their people live exactly by their unreasonable and strict rules, and have (had) very, very unjust laws, such as Sharia rape law, etc.

Tibet was basically worse off before the Chinese invasion. The entire populace was completely dirt poor, and its only purpose was to support the privelaged priest class (the llamas.) Anyone who disobeyed, died. Horribly.

Ancient Israel, assuming they lived by all of the rules set down in the OT, was just as bad.

I would agree with you on the Taliban, but the Iranian people are better are more free today than they were under the Shaw, and I totally disagree with you about Tibet. Communist China is one of them most brutal regimes to have infected the face of the earth, far far more brutal than the simple theocracy set up by the Dhali Lama and his forefathers. China has basically raped and pillaged Tibet, and is now simply moving in Chinese people to Tibet to complete the conquest, soon there will be no more Tibetan people and any semblance of their bountiful faith will be wiped out of Tibet.

I would say that theocracy is NOT per se always bad. I would much rather live under some theocracies than under a good portion of what the world has lived under in the 20th century. If you look at how places like China, or Cambodia or the Soviet Union operated and treated their people, places like Iran and even Saudi Arabia are far more preferable. But even compare Saudi Arabia with our culture. There is less crime, there is less drugs, the murder rate is far far less than in the US, its not all bad.

Of course I would agree that an open Democracy with full protection of individual liberties and a consistent Rule of Law is by far the best route. But that can be achieved in a theocracy if the rights of minorities faith

[Smalcald]

I still disagree about Tibet. The people uniformly despise the Chinese destruction of their country and culture. Don't confuse materialism with happiness. It was far better prior to the Chinese invasion. Compare their social problems today, drugs, alcoholism, discrimination against native people, etc with the problems prior to the invasion which were largely due to the fact that they were not part of the modern economy, which in my book is not a bad thing.

But a theocracy could work if as I said minority religious traditions were respected. The constitution of the country the guiding documents would be the religious tenants of the faith, you could still practice your own faith. But it would simply provide the outlines for how a society would operate. The advantage is that it would be consistent, it could not change you would have stability. In addition societies which are more religious would be easier to govern, less crime, less rebellion, less self centeredness. Our culture worships the wants and desires of the individual, a theocratic culture would not do that.

I would not be interested in living in that sort place, all I am saying is that in some times and places it could work. It is not always the most horrible thing which sometimes people present it as, it certainly is not evil per-se.

Part of our problem is that we have this western material mindset. So we go into places like the Middle East and thing Democracy is going to bring a culture like ours, well democracy in the Middle East is going to mean a theocracy in many of these countries, it is what the majority of the people want, and is seen as far less corrupt than the secular groups in charge now. This is why Hezbollah is so popular; they actually take care of the people and are willing to die for them. That is why the crazies in Palestine won that election.

[Joshua-777]

V. For Vendetta is a pro-homosexual lobbyist movie, and not much else. I got so sick of watching its pro-sinner message that I acually left about 3/4 of the way through the movie.

It projected the message that homosexuals can love just like the rest of us, and deserve happiness with each other.

If you disagree with that, then I have to question your humanity.

If you agree with that, I question your humanity, They can love, just like the rest of us, but they confuse love with lust, and fall into wickedness, them, I have no place to judge them, they are confused by the ways of the world, I can judge the sin, Homosexulaity is a sin, that is made known, and is known.

[Floatingaxe]

If you agree with that, I question your humanity, They can love, just like the rest of us, but they confuse love with lust, and fall into wickedness, them, I have no place to judge them, they are confused by the ways of the world, I can judge the sin, Homosexulaity is a sin, that is made known, and is known.

Respectfully, I know several homosexual couples, and I have observed a greater degree of love (on average) than I have observed from heterosexual couples.

That's too bad, really. Marriage the way God intends it is a wonderful thing. You have really missed out on a lot.