Questions about healing

[traveller]

godrulz and Steve, you are saying the same thing. Really. I read it. And I totally agree with BOTH of you.

[St. John]

StJohn,

You miss the point of the miraculous healings by the Master and Paul.

"Do you think we can risk neglecting this latest message, this magnificent salvation? First of all, it was delivered in person by the Master, then accurately passed on to us by those who heard it from him. All the while God was validating it with gifts through the Holy Spirit, all sorts of signs and miracles, as he saw fit."Hebrews 2:3-4.

The Lord did not heal to make all of Palestine healthy, wealthy and wise. Paul did not heal to make the ealy Church healthy. God gave the miraculous gifts as signs to validate the new message. This was essential for the birth of the Church out of the Jewish synagogue.

godrulz,

Have you not read any of my posts? Let me state this again in bold and italics. GOD STILL HEALS TODAY!!! GOD STILL HEALS HIS PEOPLE TODAY!!! I completely agree with your comment. I am not arguing from an extreme. This is the Mere Christianity of history!!!

Steve

And so you don't believe that the message of salvation is just as valid today?

Don't you think that the message is just as important today as it was 2000 years ago? I do. That is why God still validates His word today with signs and wonders and miracles.

Tens of thousands of healing miracles in T.L Osborns ministry of 50+ years. He has seen the opening of blind eyes and deaf mutes healed and cripples walk and creative miracles and the raising of the dead. But do you know why? Because He preaches it right. There is no Gospel of Unbelief in his message. And He firmly states that when the crowds here this simple gospel truths and that Jesus is just as willing to heal today, as He was two thousand years ago, the masses of people are healed.

When he stands before the people, T.L preaches "God made your eyes to see and God made your ears to here. He doesn't want you crippled or bowed over. He wants your eyes to see, and He wants your ears to hear."

[The Journey]

StJohn,

Every time you are confronted with the truth of Scripture you immediately point to the faith healers as definitive proof.

Yet when I point out that the faith healers get sick and die you say that they don't matter because you have the Scriptures.

Do you see how this circular reasoning gets us no where.

"The LORD said to him, "Who gave man his mouth? Who makes him deaf or mute? Who gives him sight or makes him blind? Is it not I, the LORD ?" Ex 4:11

Oh my friend you have so many Scriptures yet to stumble over before you will have eyes to see.

Steve

[godrulz]

Should every Christian be healed all the time? Should we never get the common cold? Should no believers die of cancer or heart attacks? Why do we not live forever? The Word Faith theology is aberrant and simplistic on a complex subject and world. I am Pentecostal and believe in supernatural healing, but it cannot be reduced to a formula. The interpretation of salvation and healing in the atonement is not totally sound exegesis. The provision is there, but that does not mean its already in the bank for believers and it is our fault always if we are not healed. Unanswered prayer should not indict the will of God nor condemn man all the time (cf. Job).

[The Journey]

godrulz,

I completely agree!!

Steve

[St. John]

StJohn,

Every time you are confronted with the truth of Scripture you immediately point to the faith healers as definitive proof.

Yet when I point out that the faith healers get sick and die you say that they don't matter because you have the Scriptures.

Do you see how this circular reasoning gets us no where.

"The LORD said to him, "Who gave man his mouth? Who makes him deaf or mute? Who gives him sight or makes him blind? Is it not I, the LORD ?" Ex 4:11

Oh my friend you have so many Scriptures yet to stumble over before you will have eyes to see.

Steve

Every time you are confronted by the truth of scripture, you dismiss it and come up with some way to explain it away. I have heard ALL of these excuses to doubt God's word before. I am just glad you were not around to help talk me out of my healing when I decided to believe God's word and receive His healing.

You still think that someones experience( "even faith healer's get sick and die") changes the word of God. No way. They could all get sick and that would not change God's word, would it? It still says "I am the Lord who healeth thee" and "All things are possible to him that believes"

So thank you, for all your "wisdom" concerning healing, but I choose to believe God's word, instead.

Thank you Lord for healing me. Not because I had some special revelation from you confirming that I was one of the ones you "decided to heal", but because your word says so. Jesus was brutally beaten for our healing and I receive your healing by faith. I discern your body. Many who do not are sick. and even die because they do not discern your body. It is sad that your people refuse knowledge. Your people perish for lack of knowledge your word says. May you grant them revelation knowledge of your word on healing, the eyes of their understanding enlightened to know the inheritance of God in Christ and to know the power of God. In the mighty, matchless name of Jesus, Amen

[St. John]

Should every Christian be healed all the time? Should we never get the common cold? Should no believers die of cancer or heart attacks? Why do we not live forever? The Word Faith theology is aberrant and simplistic on a complex subject and world. I am Pentecostal and believe in supernatural healing, but it cannot be reduced to a formula. The interpretation of salvation and healing in the atonement is not totally sound exegesis. The provision is there, but that does not mean its already in the bank for believers and it is our fault always if we are not healed. Unanswered prayer should not indict the will of God nor condemn man all the time (cf. Job).

Healing is provided. It is the childrens bread. It would appear that we (religious America) are trying to change the word of God in order to fit our experiences. This is how denominations form. People believe what they want to believe out of the word and then to protect their version of the truth they call it a name.

I'm Pentecostal, or I'm Baptist. This is what "I" believe. If you believe like me you can be a Baptist, too. And every denomination believes that they have a lock on the truth.

I choose to believe the Word of God instead of what some denomination believes the word of God says. They are all wrong in some way or the other. But the word of God is so simple that we would need help to misunderstand it. Well, we have had plenty of help misunderstanding the word thanks to seminaries. Someone learned the bible wrong, started a school where they could teach it wrong to thousands of preachers, who then go out and teach it wrong to whole congregations. Then they try and teach it wrong to people on forums.

No thanks, I'll just believe the WHOLE word of God. No denominations, no seminaries, just the word from Genisis to revelation and the Holy Spirit teaching and revealing.

[His son]

St John,

I encourage you to continue to stand by what The Bible says. satan has had quite a hey day in robbing a lot of people of healings because they listen to the false doctrines that he has convinced men have come from The Holy Spirit whom he does a very real imitation of. A lot of faith healers have let pride cast doubt in the minds of many, but just like God used a donkey, He can use anyone He wants to, and He does. The deceived on this issue just plain refuse to open up their minds to the fact that we are not to look at outside appearances. When God looks into a heart, and sees the faith is there to be healed, and that faith is coupled with a certain minister, church, ministry, or anything else, He will get that person to that place, and their faith coupled with His proclaimed Word will get that person healed. Sometimes the faith of the needy one is not quite enough, and God knowing all things sees that their faith if coupled with the faith of this person over here would get that one healed so it will be. To accept these things requires nothing at all to be added to The Scriptures nor anything taken away, nor for them to be altered in any way. But those who proclaim the false doctrine of the gifts ending with the Apostles have to add to, take away from, and in other ways use private interpretation to try to support their statements. And because they can't use Scripture they have to resort to false accusations of their opposition ignoring those Scriptures. It is such a weak argument that it is in fact pitiful but all one can do is pray that The Holy Spirit will enlighten their eyes, and that they don't believe He has stopped doing that too.

[godrulz]

St. John:

Reinhard Bonnke, apostle to Africa, raised up by God to confirm His Word with signs following! I love those pictures of the masses who are saved, healed, and delivered (wholeness) and filled with the Spirit of God.

The theology (so-called) that says healing passed with the first century are missing the river of God. However, some extremes in the faith-healing movement are destroying credibility in biblical, divine healing for our non-charismatic brethern.

This thread is about Tatie. Let us persist with her to see Jehovah-rapha (the Lord who heals) bring peace and healing into her life. Let us resist the works of the enemy. Perhaps those who are against healing for today could start a debate elsewhere. I want to build her faith up, not undermine it with a preconceived theology.

[St. John]

St John,

I encourage you to continue to stand by what The Bible says. satan has had quite a hey day in robbing a lot of people of healings because they listen to the false doctrines that he has convinced men have come from The Holy Spirit whom he does a very real imitation of. A lot of faith healers have let pride cast doubt in the minds of many, but just like God used a donkey, He can use anyone He wants to, and He does. The deceived on this issue just plain refuse to open up their minds to the fact that we are not to look at outside appearances. When God looks into a heart, and sees the faith is there to be healed, and that faith is coupled with a certain minister, church, ministry, or anything else, He will get that person to that place, and their faith coupled with His proclaimed Word will get that person healed. Sometimes the faith of the needy one is not quite enough, and God knowing all things sees that their faith if coupled with the faith of this person over here would get that one healed so it will be. To accept these things requires nothing at all to be added to The Scriptures nor anything taken away, nor for them to be altered in any way. But those who proclaim the false doctrine of the gifts ending with the Apostles have to add to, take away from, and in other ways use private interpretation to try to support their statements. And because they can't use Scripture they have to resort to false accusations of their opposition ignoring those Scriptures. It is such a weak argument that it is in fact pitiful but all one can do is pray that The Holy Spirit will enlighten their eyes, and that they don't believe He has stopped doing that too.

His Son,

I agree with you on these matters. Healing should not even need to be discussed except for the fact that denominations and ministers have been bringing in all sorts of unGodly theology. All this does is cause people to doubt God's word on healing. But the opponents of healing for all think that we should not be getting peoples hopes up, or giving them false hope. And when you give a person NO hope then the soul despairs and the body suffers as well. Even so called 'false hope' would be better than NO hope at all. If doctors told there patients that instead of six months to live that there is a good chance that they will get better and live a long life, that hope alone even if it were only true in .01% of cases would affect the outcome of their health for the better. But no, doctors set a death sentence of six months and faith comes by hearing and so does fear! They give no hope, and that alone is a killer.

Now when it comes to divine healing there should be no argument. Jesus heals, period. You can lay hands on the sick and they will recover, period. James said to go to the elders and the prayer of faith will save the sick, period.

Unfortunately, all the elders put together, in most of these churches that doubt God's word on healing, don't have faith the size of a grain of mustard seed combined. Because faith comes by hearing. And if all you are hearing about healing is "maybe God will and maybe He won't", then there is no faith produced.