other one Posted January 3, 2007 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,152 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,869 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Online Share Posted January 3, 2007 I think it is clear from these and other indications, that the city is the Vatican, and the beast is papal succession. Some Popes have been notably good (JP11), but there have also been those who were corrupt and debauched. In the future, I believe such a man will gain control of the papacy. The RCC is the "mother" church, and I see the harlots as the denominations. Of course, there are genuine Christian people in every denomination, as well as the nominal believers and hypocrites. I agree with you, Kenod, for I have always believed the Vatican to be anti Christian. I don't know exactly why but I truly believe the Vatican will be associated with the AntiChrist. Read "Windswept House" by Malachi Martin and you'll understand why...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenod Posted January 3, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 139 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/06/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/12/1945 Author Share Posted January 3, 2007 (edited) Read "Windswept House" by Malachi Martin and you'll understand why...... Malachi Martin's books are interesting because he was a Jesuit priest in Rome before being released from his vows. I looked at "The Keys Of This Blood" which among other things, investigates the pedophilia among the church hierachy. "Forbidding to marry" (1 Tim 4:3) has come at a high price. We need to be careful to distinguish between the system, which has been functioning as a political oganisation since the time of Constantine, and the genuine believers who are ignorant of the history of the Vatican. We also need to see that the political organisation of any denomination perpetuates the failings of the "mother". But we can be confident that even the gates of hell will not prevail against the Church of Jesus Christ - the universal body of believers who are born again by the Spirit of God. . Edited January 3, 2007 by kenod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetycakes Posted January 4, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 162 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,843 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 2,103 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/23/1964 Share Posted January 4, 2007 I still think it could have something to do with computers. Maybe the beast itself is a computer. This could be possible, in my opinion, for a number of reasons: The bible describes the beast as being 'given life' by Satan. The computer is the favourite candidate for a buying and selling system. And a marking system. This computer could have some form of artificial intelligence. Most of us are aware of recent advances in computer technology, such as the 'brain-computer interface', a basic example of this is used in modern jet fighter planes, where a pilot needs only to think of a target, and think of the 'fire' command, and the vehicle obeys his thoughts, and fires a missile. The same has been done for wheelchair users. And this is only in it's early stages. Scientists are already talking about the possibility of wireless communication, whereby people will be able to surf the web, without any external wires or contacts, just by thinking about it. Man would thereby have access to most of the knowledge in the world, (all the knowledge available over the internet) accessible directly through his brain, just by thinking about it. This is scary. But they are actually working on this right now. They even talk of downloading memories onto a computer, and then onto another person's brain. Personally, I don't think this is possible myself, but the other ones? Who knows what man (or machine) will be capable of in the future? It's like a great big pooling of resources ( the internet, advanced technology, etc, in all languages) The tower of Babel, maybe? In fact, it would in that case not be merely artificial intelligence, but a merging of human and machine (computer) intelligence. It's a daunting and frightening prospect, in any case. Who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredD Posted January 7, 2007 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 5 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/07/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted January 7, 2007 This is a great topic. I wish I had time to read all the responses though You folks might want to check out Recommendation 666 by Herb Peters. It's an excellent book, in my opinion. Also, Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow by Constance Cumbey. Great food for thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehut Posted January 9, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,216 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/16/1962 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Yes, I believe that the time of the Church will have been fulfilled and She will be outta there. So if Christians will not be affected, then why do we talk about it so much? Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehut Posted January 9, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,216 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/16/1962 Share Posted January 9, 2007 I still think it could have something to do with computers. But doesn't the Bible describe the Beast as something (or someone) that already exists at the time of the writing? Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted January 9, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Never called a computer a "he" before! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPJr Posted January 9, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 387 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/30/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/11/1977 Share Posted January 9, 2007 I still think it could have something to do with computers. Maybe the beast itself is a computer. This could be possible, in my opinion, for a number of reasons: The bible describes the beast as being 'given life' by Satan. The computer is the favourite candidate for a buying and selling system. And a marking system. This computer could have some form of artificial intelligence. Most of us are aware of recent advances in computer technology, such as the 'brain-computer interface', a basic example of this is used in modern jet fighter planes, where a pilot needs only to think of a target, and think of the 'fire' command, and the vehicle obeys his thoughts, and fires a missile. The same has been done for wheelchair users. And this is only in it's early stages. Scientists are already talking about the possibility of wireless communication, whereby people will be able to surf the web, without any external wires or contacts, just by thinking about it. Man would thereby have access to most of the knowledge in the world, (all the knowledge available over the internet) accessible directly through his brain, just by thinking about it. This is scary. But they are actually working on this right now. They even talk of downloading memories onto a computer, and then onto another person's brain. Personally, I don't think this is possible myself, but the other ones? Who knows what man (or machine) will be capable of in the future? It's like a great big pooling of resources ( the internet, advanced technology, etc, in all languages) The tower of Babel, maybe? In fact, it would in that case not be merely artificial intelligence, but a merging of human and machine (computer) intelligence. It's a daunting and frightening prospect, in any case. Who knows? that is very interesting and would probably make a good Sci-Fi movie....but... "Beasts" in the bible associated with prophesy, such as in revelation are talking about a beast power, which is a nation, or group of nations which makes up the beast power. Revelation clearly shows that. The book of daniel goes hand in hand with it too. The first beast was Babylon the second - Medo Persia the third - Greece the Fourth - Rome the last (which exists today) is a compilation of all the ones before. I could go much further, but I think I made my point about what a beast is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPJr Posted January 9, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 387 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/30/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/11/1977 Share Posted January 9, 2007 I do lean speculatively somewhat on the chip though because although with modern technology with the cell phones and credit cards, debit cards etc. The only way that I think an individual would not be able to buy and sell will be through an advancement in technology but a new type of globally accepted technology. This is a little more fathomable for those who reside outside of the U.S because of National Medicare. Most countries have a National Medicare system, the U.S. has been a little behind the times in accepting or adopting a National Medicare package for it's citizens because it is in fact socialism. In Canada we do have Research and Development in the Universities where they are trying to group all of these together into one chip. So basically you will have your Bank info, Credit card info, Medical info, Drivers License and Vehicle Registration all grouped together in a personal database that can be implanted into your hand. It is even being tested to turn lights off and on as you eneter and exit the rooms of your home as well as unlock the door to your home as you approach it....not a very safe function if you ask me. The difference right now is, you can ditch all the plastic and cell phones and go fluid currency and go nearly undetectable within society...disappear. The implementation of the chip will give a financial institution so much power over you that it is just uncanny. Cash would no longer be required, not one person would ever be able to evade taxes ever again, organized crime and drug trafficking would come to a near halt because of the accountability of the electronic transaction, at any given time your location globally will be fixed via GPS. How this could come to a reality? The U.S., Canada and Mexico may need to group together and form a new union in order to compete with Europe as they are getting financially and economically stronger every year. The US worker will not be able to compete dollar for dollar anymore with these countries in the next 10 years or so, so we will have to unionize North America to compete or adopt the Euro and fall into place in a Global Partnership with Europe. If this Global Partnership becomes a reality, which it can quite easily, all that needs to happen is, if the oil producing nations adopt the Euro, North America has no choice but to adopt it as well. At this point there is no longer a need for currency but a need for a Global Banking system by which all data for each and every individual person can be linked through a massive mainframe computer. Become an enemy of the state of this Global government and they turn off your chip...that simple, no cash currency, no way to buy or sell. I'm not saying that this is how it will be, but is the most likely scenario based on our present state of technology and our continued survival under an imperialist social economic structure. I just wouldn't rule it out is my point. Peace CJ Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Do you think this means every person on the planet (6.5 billion) will be forced to receive a microchip implant, or not be able to buy and sell? That seems unlikely to me, although every person on the planet is required to make a decision about what they believe and how they will act. That Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPJr Posted January 9, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 387 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/30/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/11/1977 Share Posted January 9, 2007 CJ, as I see it, we are already forced to accept substantial infringement of our personal liberty, for the sake of convenience or complying with the law. An electronic chip in itself is of no consequence. What it represents must be more than just curtailment of personal freedom. It would need to have a spiritual significance that amounts to worship. The "mark" must in some way pertain to our faith - what we believe about God. Rev 14:9-10 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God right again Kenod! The mark will be used to enforce the false worship. If you worship God (in the manner he commands) then you will not recieve the mark, and you will not be able to buy or sell. Just like when Daniel was thrown in the lions den, or shaddrak, mishak & abednego where thrown in the furnace....it all had to do with worship. It's been that way since the very beginning... cain slew abel because Abel gave his offering Gods way, and Cain didn't and was enraged that his way wasn't worthy. Our worship must be Gods way, not our own way The mark will be forced upon us by threats that we will no longer be able to buy or sell....It will have to do with worship...If we stand firm with God, we must refuse it, but many will be week and afraid and will take the mark out of fear. It certainly will not be by accident. When you see people that can no longer buy or sell because they are standing for what they believe in then you'll know what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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