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Ok, I have forgotten already--except--no, I am not without sin, except in God's eyes, when I have asked for forgiveness, I stand, made perfect by the blood of Jesus!

Then I will sin again! It should get to the point where we can have several days where we don't sin! I am looking to that!

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Actually, Floatingaxe's statement was fairly accurate. Consider David's numbering of Israel. We have three statements in scripture regarding the agency that caused David to sin by doing a census:

1. David was personally responsible for the sin of numbering the people:

David's conscience troubled him after he had taken a census of the troops. He said to the LORD, "I have sinned greatly in what I've done. Now, Lord, because I've been very foolish, please take away your servant's guilt."

2 Samuel 24:10 CSB

2. The scriptures also indicate that it was Satan who was the direct tempting agent:

Satan stood up against Israel and incited David to count the people of Israel.

1 Chronicles 21:1 CSB

3. The scripture also indicates that God played a part in inciting David to number the people:

The LORD's anger burned against Israel again, and it stirred up David against them to say: "Go, count the people of Israel and Judah."

2 Samuel 24:1 CSB

So for one act we have three different statements regarding what "motivated" David to take action.

Erich, Im a little confused now.Im still trying to understand what exactly are you trying to say by this post.3 different aspects to a temptation? Whats is God trying to say to us through these verses? Im not sure, but are we missing something here...God Bless :)


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Actually, Floatingaxe's statement was fairly accurate. Consider David's numbering of Israel. We have three statements in scripture regarding the agency that caused David to sin by doing a census:

1. David was personally responsible for the sin of numbering the people:

David's conscience troubled him after he had taken a census of the troops. He said to the LORD, "I have sinned greatly in what I've done. Now, Lord, because I've been very foolish, please take away your servant's guilt."

2 Samuel 24:10 CSB

2. The scriptures also indicate that it was Satan who was the direct tempting agent:

Satan stood up against Israel and incited David to count the people of Israel.

1 Chronicles 21:1 CSB

3. The scripture also indicates that God had a higher purpose in mind.

The LORD's anger burned against Israel again, and it stirred up David against them to say: "Go, count the people of Israel and Judah."

2 Samuel 24:1 CSB

So for one act we have three different statements regarding what "motivated" David to take action.

Erich, Im a little confused now.Im still trying to understand what exactly are you trying to say by this post.3 different aspects to a temptation? Whats is God trying to say to us through these verses? Im not sure, but are we missing something here...God Bless :)

I think what God is trying to teach us here is that He is soverign over all things. Nothing happens outside of His control. All of us agree that all good things come directly from God. He is the standard of good.

Every generous act and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights; with Him there is no variation or shadow cast by turning.

James 1:17 CSB

Good directly eminates from the character of God. It is one of His attributes. Where we have difficulty is understanding How God relates to evil. The passage above seems to indicate that He is in sovereign control of it, but not directly responsible for it. Evil does not directly eminate from the character of God. Yet, we know that God is in control of evil. If He were not, how could He promise us that we would only be tempted to the extent that we are able to resist it. Yet we also know that God is not directly responsible for evil.

No one undergoing a trial should say, "I am being tempted by God." For God is not tempted by evil, and He Himself doesn't tempt anyone.

James 1:13 CSB

So, the question is how can God be in sovereign control of evil, yet not be directly responsible for it. The passages regarding David are a good example of this.

1. David sinned by numbering the people. He was held personally responsible for sin by God.

2. Satan was the direct tempting agent. He is the one who directly incited David to Sin.

3. God had a higher purpose in moving David to number the people. God did not directly tempt David. He used a secondary agent (Satan) to achieve His purposes.

So, God is always in control. If we are being tempted by Satan, that does not mean that God is not in control. He uses even that to achieve His eternal purposes.

We know that all things work together for the good of those who love God: those who are called according to His purpose.

Romans 8:29 CSB


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Ok, I have forgotten already--except--no, I am not without sin, except in God's eyes, when I have asked for forgiveness, I stand, made perfect by the blood of Jesus!

Then I will sin again! It should get to the point where we can have several days where we don't sin! I am looking to that!

I agree with that too...Frankly speaking, I have been going through these thoughts, especially in the last few days!


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I believe God will test us but tempting is the enemys way.

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Does God really test us? or allow the devil to tempt us?

BOTH!

;):):P


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Does God really test us? or allow the devil to tempt us?

BOTH!

;):P:P

Doesn't it say in the Bible that God does not tempt anyone? :)

ehh.....I'm confused

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Does God really test us? or allow the devil to tempt us?

BOTH!

;):P:24:

Doesn't it say in the Bible that God does not tempt anyone? :)

ehh.....I'm confused

Yes, it does say that, however the original question is . . .

"Does God really test us or allow the devil to tempt us?

God tests to help us grow in Him.

The devil tempts us to make us fall.

God doesn't do the tempting. He allows the devil to do that.

:P


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Does God really test us? or allow the devil to tempt us?

BOTH!

;):P:)

Doesn't it say in the Bible that God does not tempt anyone? :)

ehh.....I'm confused

Yes, it does say that, however the original question is . . .

"Does God really test us or allow the devil to tempt us?

God tests to help us grow in Him.

The devil tempts us to make us fall.

God doesn't do the tempting. He allows the devil to do that.

:24:

why? :P

I know....I know...

but it's so confusing

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Yes, it really is confusing for us, but that's where faith in God comes in.

What we don't know He knows, and much of what He knows we don't know.

So, we must have faith and just trust in Him.

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