Who Created God?

[Jesus Admirer]

Who created God? Here's a link that answers the question.

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c039.html

Edited February 13, 2007 by Jesus Admirer

[systemstrike_7]

Its very mindboggling to think about this. God created everything, even time. But when did God become God, or where does He dwell? He is outside of time, so what where IS He exactly? Its really weird to think about this, I've always wondered if we will be able to ask Him these questions....

[cjrose]

Rev. 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End" says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

[systemstrike_7]

Time is created by God. God does not conform to time. Time is useful to man, but God exists and operates independent of it.

Ya, I know. It's weird because since we are 3 dimensional creatures, we cannot look at time. We can only live in it. So since God is outside of time, this means that he can look at time. Kind of like how we look at a book. I like to put it this way:

Lets say I'm writing a book about Joe. In the first chapter I write down that Joe eats a hamburger. Well I finish the book, and I'm reading chapter 20. In chapter 20, Joe is dancing on a roof. Well at any point in time, I can go back and observe Joe eating a hamburger, but at the same time, still dance on a roof. The book is like time. We are characters of the book, like joe, and can only eat the hamburger, but we cannot observe ourselves while we presently eat the hamburger, and dance on the roof at the same time. So I see time as being God's book. He can go and look at any point in the book at any time. He isn't past or future, he is only present. He can't see the future, he is in the future. He can't see the past, he's only in the past. Do you kind of see what I'm saying? We can observe Joe at any point in the book(aka his life) at any time. But Joe can only live in a certain time, and when we get done writing his book, he dies. He doesn't exist in this presence of time anymore. The same goes for us. And this brings another question to mind. When we die and go to Heaven, will we be able to observe time in this manner, like a book? Will we be outside of time? Very interesting....

[sweetycakes]

As I said earlier in another post, we - being subject to time, find it easier to envision time going on forever into the future, than we do imagining time (or eternity) going into the past forever

Indeed, we actually find it difficult to imagine time stopping at some point in the future, (therefore willing to see time as infinite in the future)

Yet at the same time we can't comprehend time (or infinity) stretching backwards into the past (and therefore unable to see time as infinite in the past)

Obviously we are very limited in our understanding. Very limited.

We are three dimensional beings, living in a universe of four or more dimensions.

[cjrose]

If it is to be argued that God is uncaused and infinite, then it could be just as easily argued that the universe is so. The argument that everything must have a cause, and therefore there must be a first cause (i.e. Yahweh) consequently crumbles.

In what sense does Yahweh crumble? It is one of many names given to God.

As far as God being uncaused and infinite Right on! And yes, I won't argue with you about the universe being much the same way since man is discovering new planets with more advanced technology. There could be millions of Universes out there. That is how limitless God is and how limited our human minds are that we cannot begin to comprehend how vast the mysteries that lie beyond our tiny planet earth in comparisson.

So, what'chyer point?

[cjrose]

If it is to be argued that God is uncaused and infinite, then it could be just as easily argued that the universe is so. The argument that everything must have a cause, and therefore there must be a first cause (i.e. Yahweh) consequently crumbles.

In what sense does Yahweh crumble? It is one of many names given to God.

As far as God being uncaused and infinite Right on! And yes, I won't argue with you about the universe being much the same way since man is discovering new planets with more advanced technology. There could be millions of Universes out there. That is how limitless God is and how limited our human minds are that we cannot begin to comprehend how vast the mysteries that lie beyond our tiny planet earth in comparisson.

So, what'chyer point?

If you can explain the origin and development of the universe without adding in the extra entity of a supernatural power, then Ockham's Razor would dictate taking the naturalistic answer.

Now why would I compromise my faith in explaining the origin and development of the universe without God being the core of His Infinite architecture? The Divine Creator of this Universe, of mankind, of the balance of good and evil and all that cannot be explained in your perception is very clear from our Heavenly view.

Actually I would not be compromising my faith to satisfy your question but to claim anything else would be a lie. The belief that the origin of life exists without a higher power, supernatural power, deity, entity, whatever you choose to call God, our Creator and Grand Designer (though you would argue God does not exist) has led man down the path of coming to their own fallable conclusions that even they have claimed to have fallen short of proof.

So, what is it that you can offer in the way of proof of origin of life existing without there ever having been God or a supernatural power, entity... what proof can you offer that is infallable, concrete, tangible, comprehensive proof that is not theory or mans own conclusion through scientific, analytic, critical thought in being able to strip off the irrevelevant frills and the use of deduction, essentially the same thing, and still coming to their own conclusions because of their "genius status" they must be correct that evolution is the only possible way we came to be.

By excluding the possibility that there truly is a Divine Creator, through what possible alternative is there than taking the naturalistic answer. Look at the three most distinguished thinkers, Newton, Darwin and Einstein who had in common not inexplicable genius, but a questioning mind. Their intellectual skills and inquisitive drive embodied the essence of critical thinking. Through skilled, deep and persistent questioning, they redesigned our view of the physical world and universe.

This statement which I found in the booklet Scientific Thinking based on Critical Thinking and Concepts & Principles, disturbs me a great deal because these men and others who follow their philosophy have claimed to find answers to life based on scientific, critical, inquisitive, deep thinking and deduction that using this process to come to the conclusion they are absolutely correct that life has evolved from whatever sources and there are many and none of them consider creation as a source. Their sad conclusion is that they have spent their lives focusing on solving problems and inventions of things and theories that they left no room to use their intelligence in the broader sense that we are so wonderfully and spiritually made there could only be one conclusion and that is there is a God, He is our Father, our Creator, our Savior. He is the Truth and there is no room for error on His part.

As you can probably deduce for yourself that I have not studied in detail about mans fallable conclusions that are misguided and just plain wrong because I use my inquisitive sometimes deep intuitive thought process and give it to the One who deserves it.

So by all means, if you are going to argue about creation vs evolution, at least provide us with more instead of offering a challenge and on a Christian forum I might add, for us to give you explanations on the origin of life and... excluding God in the process just ain't gonna happen. As believers in Christ, we do not need to provide the reasons. I seriously believe the burden of proof lies in your hands.

[Guest stevej]

Anyone ever looked at the wording of Genesis 1:1? The King James version says "In the beginning," but at looking at what little i know of the Hebrew and that can be put in a thimble with lots of room, it might better be translated.. "In beginning" The "the" was put there for man.

If you take it from the In beginning stage, this says whenever creation was, God was already there. As others have said Man needs time. God is neither limited to or bound by time.

[Observer of dreams]

Your mom created God ok? your mom.

[Guest stevej]

Perhaps i am not understanding the post Oberver. Is this to imply we are all god's? Or is it to mply that we all think we are god's. Or perhaps, maybe that our "mom's' invented a belief that has not been disproven yet?

Regardless of the reason for the post...my mom certainly did not create God.