Praying for Lost Loved Ones

[maguschris]

We are called to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ to EVERY CREATURE. Knowing Jesus Christ, we do know what happens when we die. That is the truth. The question is: Do you want to live eternally in glory, or eternally be tormented? God gives us a free choice. It's not His will that any go to torment, but He is determined that we choose freely. Our job as His kids, is to offer that choice.

Well this was kinda my point. Have you died? Do you have scientific evidence of what happens after we die? No, you follow what the Bible says about what happens after we die. Did you know that many books were actually left out of the Bible because they were written by "heretics". One of these books is known as jubilees and another as enoch. However, they appear in the Bibles in some African nations.

Furthermore, does anyone here know how it was decided which books to include in the "official" Bible?

As for the quote from the Urey, I have this verse:

"Jhn 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed. "

And as to "why do beleivers feel the need to convert everyone they know"... only God saved the soul.. but htis is our command:

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Why? Because:

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned

The penalty for sin is death.. which is an enternity in the lake of fire and hell.. "where the worm dieth not and fire is not quenched"... we don't want people to go there and it is our call to go out and tell others about it.. and preach "Chrisit crucified and risen from the dead"... show people that we are condemned to hell by our sin, but becuse Jesus died and rose again from teh dead the third day, we can have eternal life, which is a "forever" in heaven...

Crystal

Hope this helps smile.gif

Interesting verse to quote about to counter what Urey said. That was after Jesus's crucifixtion I believe. My point was that where we have in the past expected to find answers or God himself he have found nothing. I wonder if this will continue to be true once we die. I know the verse where people were told to preach to every living creature and the one about everyone has sinned. Of course, "sinning" is according to your religious beliefs. Someone practicing other religions may disagree. Logically, why do you feel your beliefs are correct and others are wrong? I have found many people are so afraid of the possibility of eternal torment they will believe anything. Religion, Government, love, etc based on fear is not true belief or acceptance but rather a desire to protect oneself. Governments based on fear eventually crumble.

You forgot the verse about brimstone that is in revelations I believe.

How do you know people will truly go there? Because the Bible says it? I was a christian once too, but after being ridiculed, insulted, ignored, and otherwise treated quite badly in every christian setting I've been in just for asking questions I have taken a more logical approach to religion. Believing a book that offers no evidence doesn't make sense to me.

Thank you for your complete and kind answer.

Strange to quote a Communist who probably at the point of a gun had the statement written for him.

Who is Jesus Christ Maguschris?

Peace,

Dave

lol quite strange indeed. No i am no communist or anything of the nature.

In the christian belief jesus is the son of God born from the virgin mary sent to redeem the world from sin if we accept him as our savior. Crucified on the cross, only to rise 3 days later. Which is another question I've always had. there are 2 resurrection stories. In one the women go to Jesus tomb where they are met by and angel sitting on the rock which has been moved and his body gone. The angel said rejoice he has risen or something liek that. In the other story there is a farmer and some of Jesus's discipes see him. I forget now if they were coming back from the tomb or if they were goin to the tomb. But the farmer was Jesus himself.

So which one is the "real" story, if either.

thank you for your patience

[Guest]

Furthermore, does anyone here know how it was decided which books to include in the "official" Bible?

Quibble here, quibble there, everywhere a quibble, quibble!

Chris, you have got to stop!

I can hardly catch my breath!

Twitch here, Dodge there, Bob and Weave everywhere!

Bro, you are too much!

Riddle me this Old Man.....

"..... What think ye of Christ? ....." (Matthew 22:42)

[nebula]

Nebula, I appreciate your help with this so much.

Bless the Lord!

[Guest]

Furthermore, does anyone here know how it was decided which books to include in the "official" Bible?

Quibble here, quibble there, everywhere a quibble, quibble!

Chris, you have got to stop!

I can hardly catch my breath!

Twitch here, Dodge there, Bob and Weave everywhere!

Bro, you are too much!

Riddle me this Old Man.....

"..... What think ye of Christ? ....." (Matthew 22:42)

Riddle me this Old Man.....

"..... What think ye of Christ? ....." (Matthew 22:42)

[Guest Biblicist]

We are called to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ to EVERY CREATURE. Knowing Jesus Christ, we do know what happens when we die. That is the truth. The question is: Do you want to live eternally in glory, or eternally be tormented? God gives us a free choice. It's not His will that any go to torment, but He is determined that we choose freely. Our job as His kids, is to offer that choice.

Well this was kinda my point. Have you died? Do you have scientific evidence of what happens after we die? No, you follow what the Bible says about what happens after we die. Did you know that many books were actually left out of the Bible because they were written by "heretics". One of these books is known as jubilees and another as enoch. However, they appear in the Bibles in some African nations.

Furthermore, does anyone here know how it was decided which books to include in the "official" Bible?

As for the quote from the Urey, I have this verse:

"Jhn 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed. "

And as to "why do beleivers feel the need to convert everyone they know"... only God saved the soul.. but htis is our command:

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Why? Because:

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned

The penalty for sin is death.. which is an enternity in the lake of fire and hell.. "where the worm dieth not and fire is not quenched"... we don't want people to go there and it is our call to go out and tell others about it.. and preach "Chrisit crucified and risen from the dead"... show people that we are condemned to hell by our sin, but becuse Jesus died and rose again from teh dead the third day, we can have eternal life, which is a "forever" in heaven...

Crystal

Hope this helps smile.gif

Interesting verse to quote about to counter what Urey said. That was after Jesus's crucifixtion I believe. My point was that where we have in the past expected to find answers or God himself he have found nothing. I wonder if this will continue to be true once we die. I know the verse where people were told to preach to every living creature and the one about everyone has sinned. Of course, "sinning" is according to your religious beliefs. Someone practicing other religions may disagree. Logically, why do you feel your beliefs are correct and others are wrong? I have found many people are so afraid of the possibility of eternal torment they will believe anything. Religion, Government, love, etc based on fear is not true belief or acceptance but rather a desire to protect oneself. Governments based on fear eventually crumble.

You forgot the verse about brimstone that is in revelations I believe.

How do you know people will truly go there? Because the Bible says it? I was a christian once too, but after being ridiculed, insulted, ignored, and otherwise treated quite badly in every christian setting I've been in just for asking questions I have taken a more logical approach to religion. Believing a book that offers no evidence doesn't make sense to me.

Thank you for your complete and kind answer.

Strange to quote a Communist who probably at the point of a gun had the statement written for him.

Who is Jesus Christ Maguschris?

Peace,

Dave

lol quite strange indeed. No i am no communist or anything of the nature.

In the christian belief jesus is the son of God born from the virgin mary sent to redeem the world from sin if we accept him as our savior. Crucified on the cross, only to rise 3 days later. Which is another question I've always had. there are 2 resurrection stories. In one the women go to Jesus tomb where they are met by and angel sitting on the rock which has been moved and his body gone. The angel said rejoice he has risen or something liek that. In the other story there is a farmer and some of Jesus's discipes see him. I forget now if they were coming back from the tomb or if they were goin to the tomb. But the farmer was Jesus himself.

So which one is the "real" story, if either.

thank you for your patience

Chris, I would very much appreciate it if you would not hijack this thread and take it in another direction. You are welcome to post these questions in another forum. Please.

Biblicist

[Guest]

Furthermore, does anyone here know how it was decided which books to include in the "official" Bible?

Quibble here, quibble there, everywhere a quibble, quibble!

Chris, you have got to stop!

I can hardly catch my breath!

Twitch here, Dodge there, Bob and Weave everywhere!

Bro, you are too much!

Riddle me this Old Man.....

"..... What think ye of Christ? ....." (Matthew 22:42)

Riddle me this Old Man.....

"..... What think ye of Christ? ....." (Matthew 22:42)

Riddle me this Old Man.....

"..... What think ye of Christ? ....." (Matthew 22:42)

[Guest Biblicist]

Trying to get back on topic.

Crystal,

Has any of this helped you? It has helped me a great deal. I do pray more often for my unsaved family members. It still feels a bit strange to consider them "sinners" but they are and they need my prayer.

Bib

[Guest]

I was in chat the other night and got into a discussion with someone... does it seem difficult for anybody else to pray for someone in say their family that is really close to them.. in the sense of salvation? I know for the past eight years, it seems easier to pray for anybody else to get saved, but my family. Any thoughts?

Crystal

Crystal, you are right on!

When I was a child, I could pray for anyone. When I became an adult, I often had to fight the internal static interfering with my pleas before The Throne. This static can be horrific with loved ones, especially ones who harmed us a a child.

I believe as I see The One Sitting on The Throne more clearly, it is much more easy for me, am unworthy bagger, to plea for another unworthy one.

Another thing that helps me center on my Lord and forget anything I hold against another is "He who is forgiven much, forgives much!" and "All sin is against God"

[kittylover0991]

Hey Bib and everyone else,

Oh how much this has been helping.. I never realized until talking to Biblicist that I wasn't the only one who had this problem.. I just kind of always looked over it as nothing, and I guess it kind of explains why I haven't prayed for my family as much as I should... even though I know it is right.. it seems it shoudl be easier to pray for those that you care about....

Praying and thanking God first for others salvations seems like such a great idea! Nothing to mention using verses, and talking to people.. in fact, I know most of my church is praying for my family's salvation.. they have been for years....

lately, I've been trying to pray for them.. or at least the past so many months... and it is amazing how much God has been working... He is so good.. my pastor keeps telling me my dad is close to salvation...

and that scares me. The thought just doesn't seem possible and it makes me want to cry... I see my dad's stubborness and I take my eyes off the all powerfulness of God.. He can do it... how? dont' ask me.. Id ont know.. but HE can...

Thank you everyone oh so very much

Crystal

Any else have any thoughts or ideas?