Unsaved

[Emily~Anne]

To decide not to associate with someone because of their actions is not the same as judging whether or not they are saved.

So then what do you do about:

1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolator or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

Are you arguing with scripture?

There is a difference between one who backslides and comits such a sin and one who practices such things.

Yep, all of us will backslide once in a while, after all, we are failable human beings. A person who has faith in the blood Jesus shed for them, will also have faith in God's ways. This is apparent by wether or not they believe God's ways are best. Therefore, you cannot be pro-choice and saved, you cannot go on to torture living beings, practice homosexuality with no intention of ever changing and be a true brother or sister in Christ. I obey not to earn salvation but in the same way I have faith in the blood Jesus shed for my sins, I have faith that noone loves me more than the one who created me, God is truly my Heavenly Father, he is a parent and a God to me, and he knows what is best for me, and I have faith in that so I obey. If a person truly has faith in what Jesus did for us, then a person has faith that God knows what is best for us and believes God's commands are still relevant. By the way, not to say I am perfect, only God is perfect and that is why I need to look to him. We should treat Jesus as our very best friend and our lives should reflect that. He deserves no less.

If a brother is simply caught in a sin, we should restore him gently, if a brother goes on to blatantly sin and show no remorse and refuse to look to God and his ways, then we should not even associate with him anymore.

[Fiosh]

Flo,

Just because YOU dont see the good works, it doesnt mean they are not being done.

I tried to make that point a few pages back.

Matthew 7:15-29 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

Your point???

[Emily~Anne]

To decide not to associate with someone because of their actions is not the same as judging whether or not they are saved.

So then what do you do about:

1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolator or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

Are you arguing with scripture?

Nope. I'm involved in a lively, interesting discussion focused on the interpretation of Scripture.

And when you posted this, do you realize it sounded almost like you are agreeing that judgement does need to be made wether or not they are saved?

[Fiosh]

To decide not to associate with someone because of their actions is not the same as judging whether or not they are saved.

So then what do you do about:

1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolator or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

Are you arguing with scripture?

Nope. I'm involved in a lively, interesting discussion focused on the interpretation of Scripture.

And when you posted this, do you realize it sounded almost like you are agreeing that judgement does need to be made wether or not they are saved?

That's probably because I don't think it IS up to me to decide whether or not someone is saved. My calling is to preach the Gospel and live as a disciple of Jesus Christ.

[Emily~Anne]

Flo,

Just because YOU dont see the good works, it doesnt mean they are not being done.

I tried to make that point a few pages back.

Matthew 7:15-29 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

Your point???

It was said in an earlier post: "Just because YOU dont see the fruit, it doesnt mean there is none to see." The scripture here contradicts that plus what I quoted originally. The bible tells us that by their fruit we WILL recognize wether or not if they are with or without the Spirit of Truth.

[Giaour]

Romans

14. For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

15. For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

16. If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

17. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

[Fiosh]

Flo,

Just because YOU dont see the good works, it doesnt mean they are not being done.

I tried to make that point a few pages back.

Matthew 7:15-29 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

It was said in an earlier post: "Just because YOU dont see the fruit, it doesnt mean there is none to see." The scripture here contradicts that plus what I quoted originally. The bible tells us that by their fruit we WILL recognize wether or not if they are with or without the Spirit of Truth.

Maybe you missed the part where this passage refers specifically to false prophets---not plain ole sinners.

[Floatingaxe]

Flo,

Just because YOU dont see the good works, it doesnt mean they are not being done.

I tried to make that point a few pages back.

Matthew 7:15-29 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

It was said in an earlier post: "Just because YOU dont see the fruit, it doesnt mean there is none to see." The scripture here contradicts that plus what I quoted originally. The bible tells us that by their fruit we WILL recognize wether or not if they are with or without the Spirit of Truth.

Maybe you missed the part where this passage refers specifically to false prophets---not plain ole sinners.

It can be extrapolated to include all those who are called by the name of Jesus. We can use the same criteria to discern if anyone is of God.

[Emily~Anne]

Romans

14. For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

15. For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

16. If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

17. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

What is this in response to specifically and could you please give both chapter and the verse?

[Giaour]

I looked up the definition of prophet.

I dont think I qualify.