accuracy

[yomotalking]

I was watching a film the other night, and in it, was where "the apostle Peter" says to a guy in this film.....about the Five Loaves and......hang on, sorry, the TWO loaves and five fishes...or was it the other way around.... anyway, this guy said about the Five Thousand story not being quite correct....in fact it was quite funny......and I knew it wasn't true.....but it set me thinking.......

how do we know the accuracy of the Gospels? I know it is true, but did they happen EXACTLY as it is said.......and there's just 1 more question..........in John, somewhere, it says that all the Works of Jesus were too many to fit in that book. Well, just suppose Jesus said something in those bits John chose not to put down, that were crucial?

Just curious/......

[Floatingaxe]

I was watching a film the other night, and in it, was where "the apostle Peter" says to a guy in this film.....about the Five Loaves and......hang on, sorry, the TWO loaves and five fishes...or was it the other way around.... anyway, this guy said about the Five Thousand story not being quite correct....in fact it was quite funny......and I knew it wasn't true.....but it set me thinking.......

how do we know the accuracy of the Gospels? I know it is true, but did they happen EXACTLY as it is said.......and there's just 1 more question..........in John, somewhere, it says that all the Works of Jesus were too many to fit in that book. Well, just suppose Jesus said something in those bits John chose not to put down, that were crucial?

Just curious/......

There is nothing that Jesus did that was not recorded that we would need to know, and which would change any truth. God sees to that! Jesus healed thousands of people, and fed thousands also through the miracle of multiplication, and delivered many of demonic afflictions. The truth He spoke was what God has ordained the gospel writers to write. I have no concerns in that regard. I just know I will be spending a lot of time in heaven discovering Jesus many untold acts!

[meagain]

as I recall it was over 5000 people

[Ovedya]

So the real question is: Did God direct the composition of the Bible, or not?

If God did not direct the composition of the Bible, then we should probably re-introduce those books/writings which were eliminated from the Biblical canon. Also, there really should be no limit to the number of writings what we could consider of spiritual importance, or of importance to the Christian faith; including the Mormon Bible, the book of Judas, the gospel of Thomas, etc.

If God did direct the composition of the Bible, than it's reliability is based upon God, not upon man. If one trusts in God, has faith in God, loves God with all of his being, then that trust extends to all of what God has done, is doing, and will do in the church.

[Floatingaxe]

as I recall it was over 5000 people

He did it on two occasions. One was at least 5,000 (men were only counted at that event) and then there was another occasion where he fed 4,000.

[nebula]

I wish I could remember the facts and figures, but I heard a discourse that showed how the Bible is a more reliable than the works of Plato.

As for Joh, recall how he says also that he wrote what he did for the purpose of showing his readers that Jesus is the Son of God.

[forrestkc]

There is an alternate theory about feeding the mulitudes in that the miracle was in Jesus. First lets look at the passage:

Matthew 14:15-21

[jamie]

So the real question is: Did God direct the composition of the Bible, or not?

If God did not direct the composition of the Bible, then we should probably re-introduce those books/writings which were eliminated from the Biblical canon. Also, there really should be no limit to the number of writings what we could consider of spiritual importance, or of importance to the Christian faith; including the Mormon Bible, the book of Judas, the gospel of Thomas, etc.

If God did direct the composition of the Bible, than it's reliability is based upon God, not upon man. If one trusts in God, has faith in God, loves God with all of his being, then that trust extends to all of what God has done, is doing, and will do in the church.

I agree...It is such a small thing for God to give and preserve His word to man. It is a matter of faith in God.

[nebula]

There are two alternate theories about what actually happened. The first is that the five loaves and two fish miraculously became enough to feed the 5000. The other is that in sharing what the Disciples had with the multitudes, they inspired the multitudes to share what they had with them, and as a result all were fed and even some was left over.

The later view has some support in scripture for it. As in the passage, it does not say that Jesus broke the loaves and hand handed baskets full of bread and fish to the disciples. Instead, he gave them the broken loaves and fish. Thus, arguably, it is reasonable to believe that the rest came from individuals in the crowd and the miracle was in Jesus inspiring the crowd to share what little they had with each other.

Let's see . . .

Jesus walked on water, healed the sick, raised the dead, . . . .

What's the problem with multiplying food?

[yomotalking]

Just wondered if if was all in there....and if there's any stuff outside the Canon......(cannan....oh how do you spell it??!! ) that shouldn't have been put outside it.....and was the Bible closed when the 66 books were written.....were'nt they done by man? I mean the "closing" of the Canon? (that is how you spell it, yes?) Or did God tell them to close it......

Mormons believe that God is still showing new stuff about Himself to people today...... that's not correct, oh blow! I'm confused.....