Once saved always saved?

[sagz4Christ]

Mike and Nicholas are wrong

Before Jesus came to the world, ALL human beings from ALL religions went to either hell -if they were wicked- or purgatory -if they were good- (Moses, Abraham and so on went to purgatory of course).

Only after Jesus came, the gates of heaven opened for the entire mankind and now all good people can enter heaven including the good jews and buddhists and muslims. This also means that all evil jews and muslims and christians go straight to hell (yes, for your satisfaction there are the evil catholic crusaders and the evil catholic members of the Inquisition).

How could evil christians go to heaven while good jews go to hell???? Did the christian nazis went to heaven while the people in the concentration camps to hell?.

That's nonsense and the most important thing is that it is not true.

Seems to me that everyone in here forgot about Jesus's commandment:

"The second is this: Love your neighbor as yourself. There is no commandment greater than these." (Mark 12:31).

This means if a muslim does evil to other muslim he shall go to hell because he's being evil to Christ Himself, and guess what, this is perfectly consistent with the words Jesus will pronounce the day of the Universal Judgement (Matt 25:41-46).

John 14:6

"I am the way, the truth and the life. NOONE comes to the Father but through me."

You also forgot the number one commandment:

Mark 12

29 "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' 31 The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."

And in Matthews account of these words, we find why these two LAws are so important:

Matthew 22

40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.

Yes, as evil as it sounds to you, good people that don't accept Christ as their personal Lord ans Savior WILL in fact, go to hell. While those that have faith in God and have been clothed with the righteousness of His Son, Jesus the Christ, will be brought into heaven.

Just for curiosity, where do you get that everyone will go to heaven that is good? Where is it in Scripture that we can earn heaven by our good works?

~peace

[Guest Calamity]

Shad,

My appology for thinking you were an adult. I'll dumb it down next time we speak. I also wish you were speaking to my face. It might bring back your manners.

nicholas

What kind of comment is this? The last part of it almost sounds like a threat, and that surely isn't acting in love, now is it?

[irishcowboy]

hmmm,

the last time I read the Bible, only those that Jesus knows, will enter into the Kingdom.......

it dont matter if they are good people or bad people, if the Lord does not recognize them, and if they have not accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior, they are doomed, no if's, and's or butt's about it.... for there is only one way to the Father, and that is thru the Son....

not ones works, not ones deeds, not ones words.... only thru Jesus will they enter the Kingdom, all others will be cast out into the darkness where there is the gnashing of teeth..... any ways, that is what the Bible says....

there are Jews that are born again, they are also known as Jews for Jesus, and other things, there may be muslims that are converted, but a practicing muslim, is not a believer in Jesus, nor is a budist..... nor is one that believes in crom, or thor, zues..... the egyptians were lost due to their non-belief in God, their non-acceptance... what makes you think that God wants some one that does not want Him?????? the Bible does not teach that God will allow all/everyone into heaven just cause they are "good " people....... besides.... who are you calling good???

Jesus even asked that question then replyed, that there is none good save the Father......

wow,

that means there is no such thing as a good person.... so with out being able to be a good person.... for there is none good but the Father.... then that means there has to be another way to arrive in Heaven.... which is only thru the Lord Jesus Christ......

thats it,

the only way

there is no other way then thru Jesus.....

mike

[irishcowboy]

""""Just for curiosity, where do you get that everyone will go to heaven that is good? Where is it in Scripture that we can earn heaven by our good works?""""

I would venture to say they got that from one place,

" Every Knee SHall Bow, and Every Tongue Confess ....."

that verse is correct, 100 %, but miss interpretted, for I know of some that preach this ( I believe they are called universalism, or the church of universal, or the universal church , or something like that. ), that satan will not receive any, will not win any souls, they use this one verse. and it is incorrect if taken that way.......

there are two judgements, and one of the judgements will be for the non-believer to receive their just rewards.......... HELL !!!...... they will be bowing, and confessing ( begging for mercy ) but it will be two late....

those that are left, will be bowing and confessing that Jesus is Lord, in Praise and Worship as they are receiving their just rewards, the treasures which they have stored up in Heaven......

a non-believer is a non-believer..... that is all there is to it.....

those that are believers but are not ready, will be left behind also.... just as the foolish maidens, the ones which put off getting more oil, they were not ready, and what was told them when the wedding party began?.... and those that were in the wedding party, but had soiled garments? they also were not ready... what was done with them??? how about the servant that was given one talent, and when the master returned, the servant had burried the one talent? it was not only taken from him, but he was put to death..... as were others that did the same.... wow..... these are examples of those that believe but were not following or ready...... there are many many many more examples, even ofthose that dont believe but yet are "good " people in mans eyes.....

something to think about too.... what we consider wise, God sees as foolish,

something else also,

what we see as wealth, God uses for building materials....

mike

[Faith1]

Shad,

My appology for thinking you were an adult.  I'll dumb it down next time we speak.  I also wish you were speaking to my face.  It might bring back your manners.

nicholas

What kind of comment is this? The last part of it almost sounds like a threat, and that surely isn't acting in love, now is it?

Calamity you are right...what kind of comment is that?

Kinda ugly comment I think!

[Guest shadow2b]

-Thats my SISTER CALAM--phyl------don't worry sis---really-------nick is just having "fun"with me----

-or at least I'm having "fun" with him--i really do enjoy his posts------mostly-------

-he just don't quite unnerstand my silly sense of --hugh--more---------yett----

[Guest Calamity]

-Thats my SISTER CALAM--phyl------don't worry sis---really-------nick is just having "fun"with me----

-or at least I'm having "fun" with him--i really do enjoy his posts------mostly-------

-he just don't quite unnerstand my silly sense of --hugh--more---------yett----

How anybody could misunderstand you, is beyond me, LOL! :bg:

[endure4salvation]

Are we once shaved, always shaved?

How about once driver of a 1969 Corvette with a 427 Big Block and 4-on-the-floor, always driver of a 1969 Corvette with a 427 Big Block and 4-on-the-floor?

No? Oh, OK! :x:

Just had to mess with alla ya'll....(I have been in Georgia WAY to long!!!)

[Guest dove2]

Shad,

My appology for thinking you were an adult.

[Guest Calamity]

Are we once shaved, always shaved?

How about once driver of a 1969 Corvette with a 427 Big Block and 4-on-the-floor, always driver of a 1969 Corvette with a 427 Big Block and 4-on-the-floor?

No? Oh, OK! :x:

Just had to mess with alla ya'll....(I have been in Georgia WAY to long!!!)

LOL!! Are you feeling your Wheaties tonight? Oops, you may be too young to know what I'm referring to. Wheaties, a cereal, energy, that sort of thing, old commercial..... At least I think it was Wheaties, LOL! Maybe it was Cheerios....