Creed

[Guest Biblicist]

Grace to you,

We may not be perfect, but we are supposed to strive to be Christ-like, I'm pretty sure I remember some passage saying something like that.

HMMM?

Burning Ember,

Didn't you just say a page back that you didn't have to be Obedient to God and listen to Him when He said to do Good. Rather you chose to do Good yourself.

Yet I seem to remember God saying something about Himself doing nothing apart from His Father, He was perfectly Obedient.

Joh 8:28

Then said Jesus unto them, When you have lifted up the Son of man, then shall you know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father has taught me, I speak these things.

Joh 14:10

Believe you not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwells in me, he does the works.

Even the works of Jesus were actually the works of His Father whom He had been sent by.

While I agree that Christians are not perfect, but forgiven, that should not be used as an excuse, so to speak.

So your excuse for not being Obedient and doing your own works is what?

Folks,

Let's be clear here as well, Nebula didn't make any statement one way or the other. She stated that she had heard this over the Radio and found it entertaining.

In actuality I have heard just about everyone of those sentiments expressed here by nonbelievers. I have also heard one of them heavily used in this thread.

We believe that man is essentially good.

It's only his behavior that lets him down.

Peace,

Dave

Well, that's what I meant to say!

Well put, Dave

[Floatingaxe]

systemstrike:

Atheists don't believe in anything concrete.

You said it!

[nebula]

Rush Limbaugh is definitely a Christian. Do you think conservatives would listen to him if he wasn't?

Hey nebula, I thought Jesus was against jabbing. Something about "turn the other cheek?"

Did you ever read what He called the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Teachers of the Law?

Did you hear what He called King Herod at one time?

Now let me tell you about Elijah when confronting the priests of Baal. . . .

[nebula]

Frankly, Nebula, this disappoints me. The fact that bad threads get started here by some athiests is no reason to perpetuate the trend on your side.

So, why do you not try to defend your beliefs instead of griping over your beliefs getting jabbed at?

It seems especially uncharitable to try and 'trap' people into commenting by lying about your intentions in posting the thread - you initially stated that you 'didn't know' what was meant by the creed, and were just posting for the heck of it.

I don't know the author nor the intent behind the author's writing of this. Runner's High apparently heard of this guy - or how else can he know the man is/was a Christian. It was just a poem I heard being quoted over the radio. I never lied about that. And when I posted, I did not express my intentions in posting it.

As far as my memory goes, nobody on Worthy tends to look fondly on the idea of posting anything in order to goad or fish for a certain reaction, which is essentially what 'wondering how a "turn-about in fair play" post would be answered' translates to. You never stated that you wanted to discuss the issues in the creed, and were evasive about why you posted it in the first place - and so, funnily enough, your motives were called into question before anything more useful might've got underway.

If I had written: "OK, discuss," would that have made a difference?

Unless you'd care to ask an actual question about the creed - about whether or not athiests and/or Christians think it representative of most athiests they know, for instance - then I'd move that this thread be closed, because it really isn't going anywhere.

My question? How do you defend yourself against what is said? How is it an inaccurate portrayal? How would you re-write each claim to portray what you believe?

[georgesbluegirl]

It's really disrespectful to post something like this and expect any atheist to want to "rationally discuss" it with you. It's - bottom line - offensive. And, as many have pointed out, inaccurate - atheists believe in horoscopes? Let's be real.

I really like having discussions with those with whom I don't necessarily agree on all points, and I don't want to see things like this thread drive smart and interesting people away.

I did like this, whoever said it:

People aren't good people because of their religious beliefs, people are good people because they choose to be.

=)

[nebula]

Folks,

Let's be clear here as well, Nebula didn't make any statement one way or the other. She stated that she had heard this over the Radio and found it entertaining.

In actuality I have heard just about everyone of those sentiments expressed here by nonbelievers. I have also heard one of them heavily used in this thread.

We believe that man is essentially good.

It's only his behavior that lets him down.

Peace,

Dave

Exactly!

[nebula]

It's really disrespectful to post something like this and expect any atheist to want to "rationally discuss" it with you. It's - bottom line - offensive. And, as many have pointed out, inaccurate - atheists believe in horoscopes? Let's be real.

I've seen Jesus being treated more disrespectfully than this.

Yet Christians are supposed to "rationally discuss" the claims and are snided if we get angry.

Why is this?

[georgesbluegirl]

Well first of all, just because something disrespectful is directed toward you doesn't mean you return fire with fire. Turn the other cheek, remember? It really just brings the level of debate and discussion down to introduce things like this. Secondly, this is a Christian forum and we are expected to act as such, as others have pointed out. Let's make the expectation of respect for all here clear.

[nebula]

So, you believe God never baits people in order to test their hearts?

[Guest Biblicist]

Well first of all, just because something disrespectful is directed toward you doesn't mean you return fire with fire. Turn the other cheek, remember? It really just brings the level of debate and discussion down to introduce things like this. Secondly, this is a Christian forum and we are expected to act as such, as others have pointed out. Let's make the expectation of respect for all here clear.

Turn the other cheek is taken out of context. All disrespect and attacks aimed at Christians are truly disrespect and attacks aimed at the Saviour, Jesus Christ. Apologetics does not mean, apologize for what you believe, it means the branch of theology concerned with the defense or proof of Christianity. Attacks on Christianity will be met with defense of the Gospel and Christ.

1 Peter 3:15 but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence.