Should I be obeying the OT Laws?

[Fiosh]

Vickilynn,

Be honest, ALL of us can share some of the blame for not extending grace to one another.

You asked: " In all sincerity, who has said otherwise?" regarding my statement: "But dietary LAWS are no longer binding. "

Well, maybe you danced around actually saying it, but you sure insinuated that if one did not follow dietary laws, one was not a mature Christian when you said:

Personally, I have been convicted that the OT testament is just as relevant to my walk as a Christian as the NT.

... BUT, the Scriptures do say that once we belong to Jesus, we should seek to walk in His ways and obey His commands - if we love Him!

For me personally and for our home (my hubby and children) we believe that the LAW (meaning G-d's Word in entirety, not referring to the Mosaic Law, is good! And Jesus says He did not abolish the Law. We believe G-d's wisdom was written down for us to follow in our daily lives as Christians and it is just as applicable today as it was then.

So, yes, we in our home follow Biblical Kosher (that is not Rabbinical, it is the clean/unclean laws from the Scriptures - see Leviticus 11) We do not eat unclean foods, including pork or shellfish. That is because G-d said those animals (and others) are not food for us to eat and we believe Him!

So, no need to get self-righteous. There's enough guilt to go around----to ALL of us.

Peace,

F

There is no self-righeousness at all here.

I stand by my statements. If you can't see it, that is your perception.

Peace,

F

[Scarletprayers]

Personally, I have been convicted that the OT testament is just as relevant to my walk as a Christian as the NT.

... BUT, the Scriptures do say that once we belong to Jesus, we should seek to walk in His ways and obey His commands - if we love Him!

So, yes, we in our home follow Biblical Kosher (that is not Rabbinical, it is the clean/unclean laws from the Scriptures - see Leviticus 11) We do not eat unclean foods, including pork or shellfish. That is because G-d said those animals (and others) are not food for us to eat and we believe Him!

There is no self-righeousness at all here.

Yes there is,

"BUT....................if we love him

and we believe HIM"

automatically insinuates, that those who do not do so, do no love Him or believe Him

[OopsMartin]

Vickilynn,

Personally, I have been convicted that the OT testament is just as relevant to my walk as a Christian as the NT.

... BUT, the Scriptures do say that once we belong to Jesus, we should seek to walk in His ways and obey His commands - if we love Him!

So, yes, we in our home follow Biblical Kosher (that is not Rabbinical, it is the clean/unclean laws from the Scriptures - see Leviticus 11) We do not eat unclean foods, including pork or shellfish. That is because G-d said those animals (and others) are not food for us to eat and we believe Him!

There is no self-righeousness at all here.

Yes there is,

BUT....................if we love him

and we believe HIM

automatically insinuates, that those who do not do so, do no love Him or believe Him

Glad someone can see those things.

[firehill]

Vickilynn,

Personally, I have been convicted that the OT testament is just as relevant to my walk as a Christian as the NT.

... BUT, the Scriptures do say that once we belong to Jesus, we should seek to walk in His ways and obey His commands - if we love Him!

So, yes, we in our home follow Biblical Kosher (that is not Rabbinical, it is the clean/unclean laws from the Scriptures - see Leviticus 11) We do not eat unclean foods, including pork or shellfish. That is because G-d said those animals (and others) are not food for us to eat and we believe Him!

There is no self-righeousness at all here.

Yes there is,

BUT....................if we love him

and we believe HIM

automatically insinuates, that those who do not do so, do no love Him or believe Him

Glad someone can see those things.

I too.

[Scarletprayers]

And you could be right, I'm not saying your aren't. It wouldn't be the first time I misunderstood what someone was saying, and if I am led to the knowledge you are right, I'll be the first one to apologize in all sincerity. Both publicly and privately.

[Fiosh]

Vickilynn,

Personally, I have been convicted that the OT testament is just as relevant to my walk as a Christian as the NT.

... BUT, the Scriptures do say that once we belong to Jesus, we should seek to walk in His ways and obey His commands - if we love Him!

So, yes, we in our home follow Biblical Kosher (that is not Rabbinical, it is the clean/unclean laws from the Scriptures - see Leviticus 11) We do not eat unclean foods, including pork or shellfish. That is because G-d said those animals (and others) are not food for us to eat and we believe Him!

There is no self-righeousness at all here.

Yes there is,

BUT....................if we love him

and we believe HIM

automatically insinuates, that those who do not do so, do no love Him or believe Him

Glad someone can see those things.

I too.

I think it is a perception problem on your part. I could same the same thing about many others her, but I choose to overlook it.

And I respectfully agree to disagree on that point.

F

[Vickilynn]

Shalom Fiosh,

I am being honest and I am not guilty of what you've accused me of.

And there's no self-righteous anything about it dear. I'm just sharing the joy of what I've found and how it's blessed my life. For some reason, that gets under some people's skin and they get their knickers in a knot about it. Again, I'm sorry about that, but I can't change it. It seems y'all are gonna look for fault and accuse where there is none. So be it. It's your choice.

But, I'll tell you, I have as much right to share G-d's blessing in my life on this message board as any one of you do. If you want to skip my posts, please do, it won't hurt my feelings. I will continue to post about G-d's blessings!

Think about this for a second. When G-d blesses your life and does a miracle or healing, or finances or restoring a relationship or whatever, don't you want everyone to know what G-d did in your life? I love to hear how people are being blessed by G-d and how they are walking closer to Him and I love to share when He does in my life as well.

THAT is what I'm sharing. That's ALL and that's the motive and spirit.

NOT what you wrongly and cruelly call "self-righteous" and "insinuations." Shame! That's just plain awful that y'all get so upset at someone sharing what blessings they found from G-d because it threatens your personal doctrines against it. Y'all have falsely judged my motives and heart and made false assumptions about my beliefs, over and over. I have NOT done that to any of you.

So, I'll leave it here. If anyone wants to ask me anything, I am open. I will continue to post as the L-rd leads me. If you have a problem with me, I guess you'll have to take it to the L-rd 'cuz there doesn't seem to be anything that I can do right in y'all's eyes, so I'll quit trying so hard. I'll continue doing what the L-rd tells me since HIS opinion of me is the one that matters anyway.

G-d bless you all and shalom.

[Vickilynn]

First and foremost Paul in the entire passage is telling believers not to judge others, Jew or Gentile; especially those who are weak in the faith, or to judge others who abide by the dietary laws. It works both ways.. Nor are we to consider our Jewish brothers and sisters as "living under the law" as some have implied here. This is not true. Christ has delivered us all from the curse of the law; but never did away with the law itself, as some have implied.

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it is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble.

Would you offer a recovered alcoholic believer alcohol?? Would you offer a Messianic Jew pork or eat it in his or her presence knowing it is offensive to them and could cause discord between us, based upon their rich Jewish heritage and beliefs?? I know of no scripture where Peter or Paul, both Jews, dismissed their Jewish heritage and dietary laws from the OT. Out of love for my Jewish brothers and sisters in Christ, and even a non-believing Jewish person, I could not, for conscience sake knowing it is offensive to them, and may cause discord between us, needless controversies and arguments, which is another way of causing one to stumble. This cannot be pleasing to God at all.

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I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; still, it is unclean for someone who thinks it unclean.

Paul is saying "he" is convinced here that nothing is unclean in itself; to some it is still unclean. Again, we are not to judge others by what they consider clean or unclean. It works both ways. Each person has to be convinced in his own heart, taking on the whole counsel of God., and it is our responsibility to search for the truth in the Scriptures.

Luke tells us in Acts 17:10-11

"And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea; who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. What are the Scriptures? The OT and the NT.

Here, Luke commends the Bereans because they were not going to just blindly trust the "private interpretation" of some. They searched the scriptures THEMSELVES, to see if what Paul said was true. So they even questioned Paul, and the Bible itself commended them for it.

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If your brother is being hurt by what you eat, your conduct is no longer in accord with love. Do not because of your food destroy him for whom Christ died.

Would you eat food that a Jewish brother or sister considers unclean before him, or tell them it is ok to eat when they know and are convinced otherwise; thereby hurting him? Where is the love of Christ here?

Shalom Sister,

Oh my, what a beautiful post!

This glorifies G-d.

Thank you, it has blessed me greatly!

[Vickilynn]

There is no self-righeousness at all here.

Shalom TM,

Thank you.

[Scarletprayers]

Vickilynn, I've already said the problem may be on my end, I will be the first one to admit it, your last post, now that was sweet and nice and I agree with it, and truly enjoyed reading it. Anybody who loves God wants to share their blessings, you are so very correct about that. Maybe we just all got off on the wrong foot. I am more than willing to offer the hand of peace, ask your forgiveness if I have offended you, and ask you in Christ that we try again.