Just out of curiousity...

[tdrehfal]

What would be acceptable evidence of God to the atheist/agnostics posting here? I'm curious as to what you would find an acceptable 'proof beyond

a reasonable doubt' as to God's existence?

Your God is all powerful right? He knows that I need him to come down and grace me with his presence, where I can see him.

Those are some sorry Atheists you mention in your second posts. What Atheist doesn't know that a Theologian studies the Bible. What Atheist doesn't know that the Bible would have to be proven to be the actual word of "God." What Atheist then couldn't deduce that what Theologians study isn't proven either. 3 of them I guess. I'd very much like to talk to them in your presence.

Who told the world that if a Science can't solve it, go to a Theologian..... Probably a Theologian....

I live in the "Bible Belt" and have the pleasure of meeting Christians that like giving out Tracts. I see this about once a month or so. I never hesitate to start a conversation, I like it, it's why I'm here. They don't have much to offer. Just a tract, but I've had a couple give me a number on said tract to an "authority" on things I would have liked to discuss. There is hardly anything a witness can tell me that they won't shrug off after me saying, "prove it." John 3:16, "prove it." They can't.

Science deals with the natural realm. You're assuming that the natural realm is all that exists. This is a logical fallacy. You have no proof that

a metaphysical realm does not exist. Nor can I 'scientifically prove' God's existence to anyone. This is the problem. Science has somehow become

some kind of god, as though anything beyond the natural realm is some kind of impossibility. Really, "Faith vs. Science" is a false dichotomy.

You even capitalize science the way we capitalize God's name.

Edited February 6, 2007 by tdrehfal

[tdrehfal]

I will take a lack of reply to this post as meaning that NO evidence will EVER be good enough to convince the atheist/agnostic that God exists.

So what atheists and agnostics are really saying then, is essentially that they don't care what evidence could be provided, they will simply willfully refuse to believe in God, period.

That is just ridiculous. Some of us gave replies, but yet again Christians decide to ignore the obvious and say that NO evidence will EVER be good enough. Get over yourself. You act like we are purposely spitting in God's face or something. We have good reason not to believe! We don't hate God!!!

Those of you who gave replies are excused from my comment. If you gave a reply you're excluded from it... To get a little bit personal, system,

you seem like you really WANT to beleive!

[tdrehfal]

Yes, well I have been scared into Christianity before. But this time, it won't be so easy. I refuse to live my life in fear. There is no love in fear.

You shouldn't be 'scared' into Christianity! That's not what God is about! To quote the bible... "Perfect love casts out all fear" Read 1 John 4:18.

If you were 'scared' into being a Christian you were probably never a Christian to begin with! God is NOT some sadistic tyrant who scares people into believing what he wants them to believe. The correct way to view God's salvation is that He is throwing you a life preserver while you're drowning, not that He is forcing you to drown, you are simply drowning and He's throwing you the safety device.

[tdrehfal]

This guy just wants to set himself above others.

How so?

[tdrehfal]

What would be acceptable evidence of God to the atheist/agnostics posting here? I'm curious as to what you would find an acceptable 'proof beyond

a reasonable doubt' as to God's existence?

Your God is all powerful right? He knows that I need him to come down and grace me with his presence, where I can see him.

Those are some sorry Atheists you mention in your second posts. What Atheist doesn't know that a Theologian studies the Bible. What Atheist doesn't know that the Bible would have to be proven to be the actual word of "God." What Atheist then couldn't deduce that what Theologians study isn't proven either. 3 of them I guess. I'd very much like to talk to them in your presence.

Who told the world that if a Science can't solve it, go to a Theologian..... Probably a Theologian....

I live in the "Bible Belt" and have the pleasure of meeting Christians that like giving out Tracts. I see this about once a month or so. I never hesitate to start a conversation, I like it, it's why I'm here. They don't have much to offer. Just a tract, but I've had a couple give me a number on said tract to an "authority" on things I would have liked to discuss. There is hardly anything a witness can tell me that they won't shrug off after me saying, "prove it." John 3:16, "prove it." They can't.

Are you "willfully" ignoring my post? It's number 3, just under your first two. Come on man.

No. Your post did not state what evidence you require for God's existence. Since that's the topic of this thread, I didn't know what to say....

Whoops. My bad. You did say that you needed God to come down and grace you with his presence. Okay, that's fine, then why not

try praying on a daily basis for God to reveal himself to you..

Edited February 6, 2007 by tdrehfal

[tdrehfal]

What would be acceptable evidence of God to the atheist/agnostics posting here? I'm curious as to what you would find an acceptable 'proof beyond

a reasonable doubt' as to God's existence?

Your God is all powerful right? He knows that I need him to come down and grace me with his presence, where I can see him.

Those are some sorry Atheists you mention in your second posts. What Atheist doesn't know that a Theologian studies the Bible. What Atheist doesn't know that the Bible would have to be proven to be the actual word of "God." What Atheist then couldn't deduce that what Theologians study isn't proven either. 3 of them I guess. I'd very much like to talk to them in your presence.

OK, he found it, understandably we are posting at break-neck speeds here so lots of edits.

Who told the world that if a Science can't solve it, go to a Theologian..... Probably a Theologian....

I live in the "Bible Belt" and have the pleasure of meeting Christians that like giving out Tracts. I see this about once a month or so. I never hesitate to start a conversation, I like it, it's why I'm here. They don't have much to offer. Just a tract, but I've had a couple give me a number on said tract to an "authority" on things I would have liked to discuss. There is hardly anything a witness can tell me that they won't shrug off after me saying, "prove it." John 3:16, "prove it." They can't.

Are you "willfully" ignoring my post? It's number 3, just under your first two. Come on man.

No. Your post did not state what evidence you require for God's existence. Since that's the topic of this thread, I didn't know what to say....

Whoops. My bad. You did say that you needed God to come down and grace you with his presence. Okay, that's fine, then why not

try praying on a daily basis for God to reveal himself to you..

Wow, just wow. OK, if everyone but tdrehfal could do we a favor and read the bolded type above and tell me if that is evidence needed or not. Would seeing be believing like EVERYONE AND THERE MOTHER has said since day 1?

I want you also to notice that in the above quote, where he posted it, it was boldened there also so as to be easily read.

Yes, yes, I made a mistake... I'm sorry about that. Sheesh.

[tdrehfal]

I editted in that you found it.

Was that rapid-fire or what?! LOL

Rapidfire!

[tdrehfal]

"It's a good thing I dont believe in it" is like saying it's a good thing I don't believe in the national debt. It exists wether you believe or not.

Again, Prove it. You can't. Just because you believe something or say it over and over and can't retract out of pride doesn't make it so.

Quit asserting something you can't prove.

Do things really need to be proven to everyone? I believe by faith that science tells us a lot about things in the natural world and that

for the most part they are correct, yet there are many subjects which I didn't read a single book about. You believe the resistance

of copper to electron flow remains in a somewhat constant state, or the processor you're using to reply to my posts would not work

yet you don't need to absolutely PROVE it in the scientific sense.

[tdrehfal]

....then why not try praying on a daily basis for God to reveal himself to you..

This is another logical fallacy, this one is called Confirmation Bias. Basically, if you are looking for something, you'll fool yourself into finding it.

This is an assumption. You're assuming God can't reveal Himself to you in a way that you know you're not fooling youself. Yes, it's true

that you can fool yourself into believing something. Where God is concerned however, if you can believe that God is omniscient, then He

can do it in a way that you know you're not being 'fooled'.

Edited February 6, 2007 by tdrehfal

[Floatingaxe]

John 20:29...

Then Jesus told him, "You believe because you have seen me. Blessed are those who believe without seeing me."

Faith counts! I count it a priviledge to be living after the proof has come, looking behind and not looking forward! The provision for our salvation has already come! It's a done deal! Amen!