hupo Posted February 19, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,055 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 18 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/19/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/12/1944 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Well. I expected some negative responses, but I'm quite surprised. I think it's quite apparent at this stage that I have little love for Israel, and even moreso for her supporters. That will never change. Never say never, Kellard I'm Israeli and I guess that puts us on oposing political sides. I do believe though, that without people like you in the forum, I might fall asleep from being over comfortable in my views. So Thanks for being here. So you can say what you will about Islam; I still think that in our post 9/11 world Muslims are just an easy target for people to last out at. I make no bones about being an apologist for Islam. And if this should earn me a ban from the boards, then so be it; at the least I'll know where I stand. I suppose I just don't care any more. There was a time when I gave half a ***n about what I typed up here - however little apparent that should be - but that's long gone. Every time I view topics like this I become more and more incensed, and I should be the bigger person and just say nothing, but like everyone else I'm not perfect. It's true that it's not fair to tar an entire group of people with the same brush, something I've always been quick to criticise (and I know I am guilty of it, see above), as I'm sure there are others here who share my opinions. Or not; it doesn't really matter either way. You know, you can shut yourself off and choose the view all religions with a hostile mind, but eventually that's going to be your downfall. You'll never live in a world where everyone follows the same faith as you, so at the least you should accept that there will be people of other faiths. Would you rather be an ignorant fool and stare down your nose at these people, or treat them with a little respect. But I'm talking to a brick wall, aren't I? It doesn't change the fact that I needed to say these things. So. That's that, then. Good for you Kellard. I disagree with your views but will defend your right to express them (Hope I didn't mis-quote that) God bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickilynn Posted February 20, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 138 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,997 Content Per Day: 0.63 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/13/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted February 20, 2007 Shalom, Just catching the tail-end of this conversation since my friend Hupo is here. Hupo, your post just blows me away. G-d bless you! On the Temple, I was reading in some thread, maybe this one, maybe another about the third Temple and this is what my pastor says will most likely happen...that the Dome will be hit with a missile or something equally as strong as to totally destroy the Dome, making way for the third Temple to be built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hupo Posted February 20, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,055 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 18 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/19/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/12/1944 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Shalom, Just catching the tail-end of this conversation since my friend Hupo is here. Hupo, your post just blows me away. G-d bless you! On the Temple, I was reading in some thread, maybe this one, maybe another about the third Temple and this is what my pastor says will most likely happen...that the Dome will be hit with a missile or something equally as strong as to totally destroy the Dome, making way for the third Temple to be built. Vickilynn, we will be talking about this face to face in 2 days.... As for the temple scenario. I've heard this too and there are those who will try to "help" God with what they believe is His plan. I don't know what that plan is but I know one thing.... blowing up the mosque won't go down quietly !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hupo Posted February 20, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,055 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 18 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/19/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/12/1944 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Shame on the two of you. It never ceases to amaze me how "Christians" can be capable of such petty spite. The Dome of the Rock has written on it: "God has not son." Everything about that mosque is a direct assault against Christianity - against Jesus as God, Messiah, King of Kings and Lord of Lords. I hate the place for that reason. Let it be destroyed. I would like to point out that .... ...Jesus as God, Messia, King of kings and Lord of Lords, (and not to forget the Holy Spirit), is the same God that told us to pray for our enemies God bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hupo Posted February 20, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,055 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 18 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/19/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/12/1944 Share Posted February 20, 2007 When I first came to Worthy there was a group of people who were sensitive to people and their position spiritually. Care was taken to try and help people until they reached a point of being detremental to readers and were banned from the site. What has happened to that spirit of help for people here...... This place has lost the spirit that made it a great place for everyone to come....... now it seems to be "agree with us few" or you're just waste and should go away. I'm finding it harder and harder to recomend this place for people to find answers. Sam Haven't been here long but I see what you are talking about. Yet, Sam, if I may....... I've been to forums and human beings being human, tend to get this way at times. I wouldn't turn away from this. I find that an atmosphere where the Spirit is accidently being pushed around, is an oppertunity for all of us to take a good look at our conduct through the eyes of the spirit. This is an opertunity for change. Don't despair. God works miracles. He can definatly get the forum back on spiritual tracks God bless you Sam and this forum including EVERYONE ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Shame on the two of you. It never ceases to amaze me how "Christians" can be capable of such petty spite. The Dome of the Rock has written on it: "God has not son." Everything about that mosque is a direct assault against Christianity - against Jesus as God, Messiah, King of Kings and Lord of Lords. I hate the place for that reason. Let it be destroyed. I would like to point out that .... ...Jesus as God, Messia, King of kings and Lord of Lords, (and not to forget the Holy Spirit), is the same God that told us to pray for our enemies God bless Hupo, I think you will find, as you spend more time here, that this place has a heart for the Arabs, and there have been threads with an emphasis on praying for the Arabs and ministering to them. Though we who support Israel, do support necessary miltary action against the terrorists, we do not call for the annhilation of the Arab/Muslim people as they do to us. In fact, there has been no one who has ever advocated any mistreatment of Arabs or Muslims. However, we see Islam for the bloodthirsty vile, psychotic ideology that is. I would simply point out that our hatred of Islam is not a reflection on how we view the Arabs and others who are caught in its evil grip. As a ministry, we support the gospel being given the Arab people, and are as quick to rejoice in Arab salvation as we are when Jewish people come to know the Lord. I personally support Bridges for Peace, a ministry that reaches out to Arabs and Jews. There are several here, myself included, who believe one of the most "pro-Israel" activities one could engage in, would be to bring the gospel to the Arabs and particularly to the Palestinians. Palestinians who love Jesus do not become terrorists. You will find that this ministry to be pro-Israel, but not anti-Arab. We are anti-Islam, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hupo Posted February 20, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,055 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 18 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/19/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/12/1944 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Hupo, I think you will find, as you spend more time here, that this place has a heart for the Arabs, and there have been threads with an emphasis on praying for the Arabs and ministering to them. Though we who support Israel, do support necessary miltary action against the terrorists, we do not call for the annhilation of the Arab/Muslim people as they do to us. In fact, there has been no one who has ever advocated any mistreatment of Arabs or Muslims. However, we see Islam for the bloodthirsty vile, psychotic ideology that is. I would simply point out that our hatred of Islam is not a reflection on how we view the Arabs and others who are caught in its evil grip. As a ministry, we support the gospel being given the Arab people, and are as quick to rejoice in Arab salvation as we are when Jewish people come to know the Lord. I personally support Bridges for Peace, a ministry that reaches out to Arabs and Jews. There are several here, myself included, who believe one of the most "pro-Israel" activities one could engage in, would be to bring the gospel to the Arabs and particularly to the Palestinians. Palestinians who love Jesus do not become terrorists. You will find that this ministry to be pro-Israel, but not anti-Arab. We are anti-Islam, though. Well Shilo, you have cleared up something for me. I'll take your word for it that this is a general feeling in the forum. I did read the whole thread and was getting something that I didn't like, hence my reaction. My biggest battle is against hatred. Hatred is the one thing we can safely say is satan's game. I don't want one drop of that in a place where Yeshua is supposed to be, in my heart. Being Israeli I guess it's obvious that I'm pro Israel too . If we can defrentiate between Islam and Muslims, between what people ARE and what they DO, I would say we are on the right way. THanks Shilo and God bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted February 20, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.93 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Shame on the two of you. It never ceases to amaze me how "Christians" can be capable of such petty spite. The Dome of the Rock has written on it: "God has not son." Everything about that mosque is a direct assault against Christianity - against Jesus as God, Messiah, King of Kings and Lord of Lords. I hate the place for that reason. Let it be destroyed. I would like to point out that .... ...Jesus as God, Messia, King of kings and Lord of Lords, (and not to forget the Holy Spirit), is the same God that told us to pray for our enemies God bless Bless you, hupo! I appreciate your perspective, truly. I praise God that He has given you love for the Arab people living in the midst of your land. I can only imagine what it is like for you, beiong a believer in Messiah living in Israel. Please understand, though - I had read a report explaining what the the Dome of the Rock has written inside of it. The bottom line is that everything about it was set-up as a direct attack against Christianity. There is even a signficance to the direction it faces and the circuit one takes around the Mosque to read it's inscriptions from first to last. The bottom line is that Messiah's name is blasphemed in stone directly on top of the Temple Mount. That just crawls at my spirit so bad! A false god is a false god, and a false religion is a false religion. I know our Lord loves the Arab people, but I am sure He does not love their worship. Make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 I do so pray for my Arab brothers and sisters As they die without Jesus! It breaks my heart when a mother Sends her son or daughter out to murder themselves and their cousins When she dances in the streets to celebrate the murder of her child And her neighbor. Oh Lord of The Harvest Have Mercy! Send out Your workers For the fields are ripe The Children of Adam cry out without You! Their blood pours out like water Their hearts overflow with hatred We are so totally helpless without Your Son, Lord Without Jesus We are so totally hopeless without Your Son, Lord Without Jesus We are so totally eternally lost without Your Mighty Son Without Jesus Mercy! Mercy! Mercy! Oh Holy Spirit of The Living God Hover over the killing fields of Israel Pour out Your Living Water upon the Hearts of men Draw the sons of Adam and daughters of Eve To the Lord of Life To Jesus of Nazareth To The Lord of Hosts To The Captain of My soul Grace! Grace! Grace! Dear Holy Heavenly Father Abba, Father Glorify Yourself! Show Ishmael Your Hand of Mercy Show Ishmael Your Hand of Grace Hear the cries of Ishmael Lord Open their ears to Your Whispers of Love Break the bonds that hold them chained Do A Mighty Work in Their Hearts Cause their hearts to sing to You for all eternity! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Hosanna to The Father! Hosanna to The Son! Hosanna to The Spirit! Oh LORD I thank You for answered prayer And for Calvary And for Your Mercy And for Your Blood And for Your Grace And for Your Love And for Your Faithfulness And for You, Lord I love and adore You My Prince My Brother Come Quickly! Lord Jesus Come Quickly! Hallelujah! Maranatha! In Jesus Love, Your Joe My eyes run with tears My heart breaks with sorrow Yet I will praise You Yet I will sing to You My Lord My God My Savior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hupo Posted February 21, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,055 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 18 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/19/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/12/1944 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Bless you, hupo! I appreciate your perspective, truly. I praise God that He has given you love for the Arab people living in the midst of your land. I can only imagine what it is like for you, beiong a believer in Messiah living in Israel. Please understand, though - I had read a report explaining what the the Dome of the Rock has written inside of it. The bottom line is that everything about it was set-up as a direct attack against Christianity. There is even a signficance to the direction it faces and the circuit one takes around the Mosque to read it's inscriptions from first to last. The bottom line is that Messiah's name is blasphemed in stone directly on top of the Temple Mount. That just crawls at my spirit so bad! A false god is a false god, and a false religion is a false religion. I know our Lord loves the Arab people, but I am sure He does not love their worship. Make sense? Yes nebula, it makes all the sense in the world. I too have no love for pagen worship. Yet God obviously knows what is going on, God being all-knowing and omnipresent, has allowed this to be, so unless HE directly asks me to do something about it I find myself in a waiting position, waiting to see what the Lord will do..... as in "those who wait upon the Lord...." .... just a WITNESS to God's unfolding plan. What really concerns me is the word "HATRED" and what stands behind it, or rather, WHO, stands behind it. I don't want any part of that "HATRED" God bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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