Death Certificates on Abortions Proposed

[forrestkc]

If there was a way to protect the privacy of the mother, I would be for this idea. As it is currently however, I don't see how that could happen, therefore I don't support this proposition.

When abortion is viewed as a crime in America I will agree to making the mother's personal information public record, but until then as long as abortion is a legal operation I see no reason to make the mother's information a matter of public interest; the mother should retain the right of privacy at this point in time.

You seem to go by what the USA says not what God

This is not some Fundamentalist Christian version of Iran. Our laws do not compel religious beliefs in this country. Do you believe that God wants us to legislate Christianity, or do you believe that God wants Christians to choose to obey God rather to legally compelled to do so?

[Oh Hamburgers!]

why not clear this issue up by tellin us your stand

Because the thread is about being in support of or opposing Death Certificates on Abortions, not about being in support of of opposing abortion itself I would rather keep my specific abortion views private for now.

[Zceiv]

If there was a way to protect the privacy of the mother, I would be for this idea. As it is currently however, I don't see how that could happen, therefore I don't support this proposition.

When abortion is viewed as a crime in America I will agree to making the mother's personal information public record, but until then as long as abortion is a legal operation I see no reason to make the mother's information a matter of public interest; the mother should retain the right of privacy at this point in time.

You seem to go by what the USA says not what God

This is not some Fundamentalist Christian version of Iran. Our laws do not compel religious beliefs in this country. Do you believe that God wants us to legislate Christianity, or do you believe that God wants Christians to choose to obey God rather to legally compelled to do so?

Ok then i ask you the same question.

Will you go against God? (I go by the same rules if you avoid the question I assume yes)

[forrestkc]

Ok then i ask you the same question.

Will you go against God? (I go by the same rules if you avoid the question I assume yes)

I think it is safe to say that as a man I will never have an abortion, and as someone who is not a physician, I will never perform one.

[Zceiv]

Ok then i ask you the same question.

Will you go against God? (I go by the same rules if you avoid the question I assume yes)

I think it is safe to say that as a man I will never have an abortion, and as someone who is not a physician, I will never perform one.

last chance to answer the question yes or no?

[forrestkc]

Ok then i ask you the same question.

Will you go against God? (I go by the same rules if you avoid the question I assume yes)

I think it is safe to say that as a man I will never have an abortion, and as someone who is not a physician, I will never perform one.

last chance to answer the question yes or no?

What do you even mean by going against God? Do you mean in voting? What do you mean?

[Zceiv]

Ok then i ask you the same question.

Will you go against God? (I go by the same rules if you avoid the question I assume yes)

I think it is safe to say that as a man I will never have an abortion, and as someone who is not a physician, I will never perform one.

last chance to answer the question yes or no?

What do you even mean by going against God? Do you mean in voting? What do you mean?

Will you go aganist God's word?

[forrestkc]

Will you go aganist God's word?

Virtually every time you vote, no matter who you vote for, chances our you are supporting someone who only partially advocates a platform that is line with the teachings of the Gospels. I can't think of a single candidate that I have ever had the choice of voting for that had a consistent ethic of life in that none of them ever articulate or support a coherent social policy which seeks to protect the rights of the weakest and most vulnerable in our society, the unborn, the infirm, the refugee, the homeless, and the poor. Neither party is opposed to abortion and capital punishment and economic injustice and assisted suicide and euthanasia and unjust war.

This one issue does not define Christian values. It is simply one of many. Abortion and homosexuality are not the only issues that are of concern to Christians, they don't even get that much mention in scripture. In fact, poverty, injustice, peace, and being good stewards of God's creation all get far more mention in scripture. When people become one issue voters, as a consequence they end up disregarding much of the teachings of the Bible. It is not so black and white as you paint it. We all must weigh the issues and take the route that our conscience and faith leads us. Some might see abortion as the issue that defines that route, but for me that is not the case. For me what defines that route dictated by conscience and faith is the true costs of war, our poor stewardship of God creation and the cost that lays upon our children, the health and welfare of children who are among us, and the poverty and injustice in this world.

Maybe concience and faith will lead you in a different direction as to your beliefs on society, but don't assume that yours will be any more Godly than the directions that concience and faith leads others, just as they must face the grey areas and hard choices of this world, so will you.

[Zceiv]

Will you go aganist God's word?

Virtually every time you vote, no matter who you vote for, chances our you are supporting someone who only partially advocates a platform that is line with the teachings of the Gospels. I can't think of a single candidate that I have ever had the choice of voting for that had a consistent ethic of life in that none of them ever articulate or support a coherent social policy which seeks to protect the rights of the weakest and most vulnerable in our society, the unborn, the infirm, the refugee, the homeless, and the poor. Neither party is opposed to abortion and capital punishment and economic injustice and assisted suicide and euthanasia and unjust war.

This one issue does not define Christian values. It is simply one of many. Abortion and homosexuality are not the only issues that are of concern to Christians, they don't even get that much mention in scripture. In fact, poverty, injustice, peace, and being good stewards of God's creation all get far more mention in scripture. When people become one issue voters, as a consequence they end up disregarding much of the teachings of the Bible. It is not so black and white as you paint it. We all must weigh the issues and take the route that our conscience and faith leads us. Some might see abortion as the issue that defines that route, but for me that is not the case. For me what defines that route dictated by conscience and faith is the true costs of war, our poor stewardship of God creation and the cost that lays upon our children, the health and welfare of children who are among us, and the poverty and injustice in this world.

Maybe concience and faith will lead you in a different direction as to your beliefs on society, but don't assume that yours will be any more Godly than the directions that concience and faith leads others, just as they must face the grey areas and hard choices of this world, so will you.

Will you support what God's word says is a sin?

[nebula]

I am aware of that, but I think that most people see a difference between a handful of undifferentiated cells and a new born baby.

Is that what you think a fetus is?

Forrest - the cells are only "undifferentiated" for the first few weeks. I don't have time to revisit the exact time frame. But the tissues and organs are formed fairly early on in the pregnancy comparatively to the 9 months.

And once again, I say, abortion is not just killing physical cells (and extracellular material), it is killing a real soul.

You know . . . like in your C.S. Lewis quote: "You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body."