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[WarMonkeyMan]

Why do we have "Faith vs. Science?"

Why are we so intent on keeping the two apart?

[Guest]

It's All About Who You Worship!

Some Folk believe Science Is The Investigation of God's Creation!

Some Folk believe Science Is The Investigation of God, The Creation!

Some Folk believe they'll just have a V-8!

Again, Welcome!

Not going to let the grass grow under your feet, huh!

[Joshua-777]

Why do we have "Faith vs. Science?"

Why are we so intent on keeping the two apart?

Mainly because from what I've seen there is no middle ground, this question was brought up by be, and various members of worthy a while back, but the end result was, from an evolutionist perspective "science and God can't mix" from a creationist perspective, science is the study of Gods work" so the isn't too much of a middle ground, it's evolution, or creation.

[MorningGlory]

Why do we have "Faith vs. Science?"

Why are we so intent on keeping the two apart?

Mainly because from what I've seen there is no middle ground, this question was brought up by be, and various members of worthy a while back, but the end result was, from an evolutionist perspective "science and God can't mix" from a creationist perspective, science is the study of Gods work" so the isn't too much of a middle ground, it's evolution, or creation.

I disagree, Josh. It is possible for evolution (which applies to everything except man) and creationism (which applies only to man) to coexist. Science is fact and does not conflict with the word of God. After all, He is the creator; does it not follow that He created science as well? I fail to see why so many have trouble reconciling the two.

[MeCajunboy]

Why do we have "Faith vs. Science?"

Why are we so intent on keeping the two apart?

Great question! Actually I don't think Christians really want to separate the two, and we are quite content to admit and accept that God also instilled "science" into the equasion of "Faith vs. Science." Problem is, God chose not to reveal HIMSELF so that we might prove our Faith in HIM. But I have no question that there is much science built into our faith, just as there is much "science" built into our "Good News" and Old Testament, as well. Noah's ability to calculate the construction of his "fortress on water" had to have "science" integrated into it. Early travelers of the East had to have science to get from on point to the other , even if they had to depend on the stars, sun and moon. And so on!

[WarMonkeyMan]

Not going to let the grass grow under your feet, huh!

Psh, grass under my feet is for cows!

Mainly because from what I've seen there is no middle ground, this question was brought up by be, and various members of worthy a while back, but the end result was, from an evolutionist perspective "science and God can't mix" from a creationist perspective, science is the study of Gods work" so the isn't too much of a middle ground, it's evolution, or creation.

Wrong. Science and faith shouldn't have ANY qualms with each other.

1. Science is about the natural world. God made that world, so inevitably, there's going to be some fingerprints.

2. God could have evolved us. It all depends on whether or not we take Genesis as a literal, play-by-play account of what happened. If the Creation story was not meant to be so, then evolution, and a God which caused such, are extremely viable and has nothing against our faith. If Creation IS a literal account, there will be evidence for it.

3. Evolution doesn't touch the origin of life, which is creation. Evolution is about the origin of species, which is another matter altogether.

The problem is not that knowledge contradicts God, it's rather that knowledge contradicts the Bible's account ot creation, and some people start attacking knowledge and those who gain it, because they cannot accept that the Bible is not the fountain of all knowledge on Earth.

Davem, I love you.

Well, not like that. But as a brother!

[Joshua-777]

Why do we have "Faith vs. Science?"

Why are we so intent on keeping the two apart?

Mainly because from what I've seen there is no middle ground, this question was brought up by be, and various members of worthy a while back, but the end result was, from an evolutionist perspective "science and God can't mix" from a creationist perspective, science is the study of Gods work" so the isn't too much of a middle ground, it's evolution, or creation.

I disagree, Josh. It is possible for evolution (which applies to everything except man) and creationism (which applies only to man) to coexist. Science is fact and does not conflict with the word of God. After all, He is the creator; does it not follow that He created science as well? I fail to see why so many have trouble reconciling the two.

Have you read some of the modern scientists work? like Dawkins for example, basicly he's in an all out war with faith. There is a science that is not science, that is when theorys are made without evidence and taken in as fact.

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Have you read some of the modern scientists work? like Dawkins for example, basicly he's in an all out war with faith. There is a science that is not science, that is when theorys are made without evidence and taken in as fact.

Dawkins is an outspoken opponent of Christianity, but that doesn't mean his contributions to the scientific community are flawed in some way. And theories are often also facts. The two are not rungs on a hierarchy of certainty.

[WarMonkeyMan]

Wrong. Science and faith shouldn't have ANY qualms with each other.

Well I think they do (when the bible is taken literally at least). Religion, among other things, attempts to explain the supernatural (creation, whitches etc). So does science, but it does it differently. Science takes the supernatural, examines it, experiments on it, and examines it some more. Then it comes up with the best natural explaination it can for the supernatural phenomenon. In the past this has caused conflicts such as the galileo one I mentioned.

"there's going to be some fingerprints." Wait what? Did you just call god testable ?

What are your beliefs by the way?

Well, then it may come to the point where, if science and what IS around us says that the Bible can't be literal and true, we may have to question ourselves on whether WE are the ones who force it to be such.

And no, I didn't say God was testable, but if He did what the Bible says He did (which I believe happened) then there will have to be some evidence of the event. God may be untestable, but creating an entire universe out of nothing isn't exactly subtle.

As for my beliefs, I'm Christian. I believe in Scripture and it's inerrancy as far as inerrancy can go. If what IS in the world and what we discover goes against the Bible, then something's up, and I'm willing to include the interpretation (literal and otherwise) of the Bible in questioning.

[WarMonkeyMan]

Why do we have "Faith vs. Science?"

Why are we so intent on keeping the two apart?

Mainly because from what I've seen there is no middle ground, this question was brought up by be, and various members of worthy a while back, but the end result was, from an evolutionist perspective "science and God can't mix" from a creationist perspective, science is the study of Gods work" so the isn't too much of a middle ground, it's evolution, or creation.

I disagree, Josh. It is possible for evolution (which applies to everything except man) and creationism (which applies only to man) to coexist. Science is fact and does not conflict with the word of God. After all, He is the creator; does it not follow that He created science as well? I fail to see why so many have trouble reconciling the two.

Have you read some of the modern scientists work? like Dawkins for example, basicly he's in an all out war with faith. There is a science that is not science, that is when theorys are made without evidence and taken in as fact.

Dawkins is one man, not a group of modern scientists.

If you're going to say he's against faith, you had better be specific, and GIVE A SOURCE. If you have nothing to back up what you say, it's heresy.

A theory is NOT A THEORY if nothing backs it up. I believe I've said this before. A hypothesis is a suggestion that could be a solution to a problem; a theory is a hypothesis with some degree of support. DON'T MESS THEM UP. That's one of the major reasons that many atheists disregard Christianity as unthinking and closed-minded, and it does no good to live up to stereotypes.