HELL FIRE

[Mutzrein]

Hum,

I remember when I was young, and started going to church, I first came to the Lord, for fear of burning in hell; our church was big on Hell Fire preaching. But as I continued to walk with the Lord, He showed me His love, and now I walk with Him, out of fear, and Love. As I remember right, the teaching in my old church was unbalanced, it was always hell Fire and damnation.

And I don't remember them preaching about the solution, perhaps I wasn't paying attention. But I hated going to church because of that preaching back then. Glad the Lord showed me all of truth and not just parts.

Without any doubt, the positive elements of the Gospel should make up the majority of a church's Sunday ministry. But I agree preaching Hellfire is 100% necessary. For the people who don't like it, well, most of them are mockers and deceivers, and haters of the Living God.

Well I don't like it but before I'm accused of being a hater of God have I interpreted you correctly P7 - post 65?

[Guest Jude 1:3]

Well I don't like it but before I'm accused of being a hater of God have I interpreted you correctly P7 - post 65?

As I said, "most of them are mockers and deceivers, and haters of the Living God." However, it was you who questioned whether the lost are sent to Hell. Do you believe in Hell, or do you reject it? Who is sent to Hell? If you do not believe rejectors of Christ are sent to Hell, then either you are having a hard time accepting this doctrine, which is perfectly understandable, or you reject Hell because you reject the Bible. Which is it?

Jesus Christ said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." He also said, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." John 3:16 is a popular verse. I wonder how many Christians have continued on to verse 18, which states: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Jesus is the ONLY way!

EVERY other religion is the offspring of HELL.

[spiritman]

Hum,

I remember when I was young, and started going to church, I first came to the Lord, for fear of burning in hell; our church was big on Hell Fire preaching. But as I continued to walk with the Lord, He showed me His love, and now I walk with Him, out of fear, and Love. As I remember right, the teaching in my old church was unbalanced, it was always hell Fire and damnation.

And I don't remember them preaching about the solution, perhaps I wasn't paying attention. But I hated going to church because of that preaching back then. Glad the Lord showed me all of truth and not just parts.

Without any doubt, the positive elements of the Gospel should make up the majority of a church's Sunday ministry. But I agree preaching Hellfire is 100% necessary. For the people who don't like it, well, most of them are mockers and deceivers, and haters of the Living God.

Yes; at the time I was a 5 year old kid, and thinking about Hell was very scarry to me. I actually didn't get saved until I was about 14 years of age.

[spiritman]

What do you make of this scripture then? - taken from Revelations 17 (KJV) . . . 'and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.'

God knew who would believe in Him. Therefore, the saved were written in the Book of Life at the foundation of the world. As a Calvinist, I take this one step further: the reason God wrote these names in the Book at the foundation of the world is because these are the Elect, the people whom He decided to draw to Himself.

Hey Jude; What's up?

Listen I was wondering when you do your studying on these scriptures if you ever do any Greek and hebrew comparison on the words being used in the verse. This is actually a topic addressed over in the Once Saved Always saved, but I looked it up, so to save you some time I thought I would post it here for you, sorry this is off topic. This is a earlier conversation between me and brother butero over in O.S.A.S.

Hi brother butero,

I have to break it down to just one, that's number 5; the reason is the greek word for predestined in ephesians 1:4-5,and

1:11 is Prognosis, and its definition is : Foreknowledge, Foreknowledge is one aspect of omniscience; it is implied in God's warnings promises, and predictions. God's foreknowledge involves His electing grace, but this does not preclude human will, He foreknows the exercise of faith which brings salvation. The apostle Paul stresses especially the actual purposes of God rather than the ground of the purposes: see: Galatians 1:16; Ephesians 1:5, 1:11. In other words, God has foreknowledge of who will recieve Him or reject Him in advance because He knows the beginning and the end. But, He does not "predestine" us for heaven or hell. Source: Vines Expository of Old and new testament words:

[Smalcald]

Mmmm - so when did the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the good news - become a gospel of hellfire and damnation?

Why is it good news?

It is Good News because the Kingdom of God is preached

It is Good News because it is about Jesus (who is the Christ) and the resurrection

It is Good News because it is about peace through Jesus, who is Lord of all

As the scripture says, "How beautiful of are the feet of those who bring Good News"

Why is the resurrection good news? I mean is it just a nice event that Christ did? Why do we need peace through Jesus, peace for what, without peace with Jesus what do we have, does it matter?

The Gospel is only half preached without the knowledge and awareness of our sins and what they do to us. Christ's sacrifice for all of the rotten horrible thing that WE do individually, the sacrifice for the fall of all human kind, dead in trespasses and sin, does not mean much if we don't mention what the consequence of those things are.

I think we as believers understand that implicitly, because of the Holy Spirit

[Mutzrein]

Why is the resurrection good news? I mean is it just a nice event that Christ did? Why do we need peace through Jesus, peace for what, without peace with Jesus what do we have, does it matter?

The Gospel is only half preached without the knowledge and awareness of our sins and what they do to us. Christ's sacrifice for all of the rotten horrible thing that WE do individually, the sacrifice for the fall of all human kind, dead in trespasses and sin, does not mean much if we don't mention what the consequence of those things are.

I think we as believers understand that implicitly, because of the Holy Spirit

[Mutzrein]

Well I don't like it but before I'm accused of being a hater of God have I interpreted you correctly P7 - post 65?

As I said, "most of them are mockers and deceivers, and haters of the Living God." However, it was you who questioned whether the lost are sent to Hell. Do you believe in Hell, or do you reject it? Who is sent to Hell? If you do not believe rejectors of Christ are sent to Hell, then either you are having a hard time accepting this doctrine, which is perfectly understandable, or you reject Hell because you reject the Bible. Which is it?

Jesus Christ said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." He also said, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." John 3:16 is a popular verse. I wonder how many Christians have continued on to verse 18, which states: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Jesus is the ONLY way!

EVERY other religion is the offspring of HELL.

OK - brief answers to your questions - happy to oblige.

Do I believe in hell? Yes.

Who is sent to hell? The goats.

But I add this. Who is NOT sent to hell? Who is condemned already? Those who have not been given the gift of eternal life. Whether they be a jungle tribe that has never heard the gospel, an innocent child too young to understand, a handicapped person without the intellect. As John 3:16 says, they perish. This is their condemnation - DEAD in trespasses and sin.