Christians rejecting the Faith?

January 1, 2004

1 Timothy 4:1 KJV
(1) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

There are Christians who backslide, who depart from the faith. Salvation does not depend upon you not departing from the faith. It is dependant upon God not departing from you. There are Christians who will for a variety of reasons depart into false doctrines and false teachings. This verse is not necessarily addressing those who would reject God, but there are those who believe in the true God but believe wrong things about him. There are false doctrines within Christian ranks. There are those who believe that if you do not speak in tounges you are not saved. The "name it and claim it" doctrine is another. There are Christians who are racist. While God abhors these things, they are payed for by Jesus, and those that participate will be punished. One thing to keep in mind is that some Christians are very immature in the faith, and are easily led astray as a result. It is the result of a lack of solid, biblical discipleship in the Church that is at fault there. Again, God knows our frame, he knows that we are not dust.

One can, for a time, hate God and reject Him out of the pain of losing a child, or spouse to disease or disaster. One can rebel against God because something happens to them, and they are reacting out of their pain. If we go by what some say on this board, they are not saved. God is bigger than that, and smarter than that, and this does not take Him by surprise, and He is not injured in the least. He still loves those who cease to love him, and He can deal with the situation.

Know this: Our sins were layed upon Jesus. Jesus has already borne everything it takes to send a man to Hell. He was pierced for our transgressions, bruised for our inquities, the chastisement of our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed. Jesus has borne everything it takes to send a man to Hell, and he did it, so you wouldn't have to.

January 1, 2004

Thanks, cats - she's my sweety!! In that little photo, she was just about to bark. Well, "talk" to me, and I clicked and it looked more like a grin, LOL.

January 1, 2004

Okay, but then what is it they're talking about when they say the great "apostacy" in the end times?

Sounds to me like the Christian Church/Body departing from the true faith...

Who is "they?"

January 1, 2004

Well, I completely agree with Shiloh. The only work we have to do is to surrender our hearts to Jesus. This is a repentance. After that our sins are forgiven in the context of salvation. Our sins will never again seperate us completely from God. There will be accountability for our sinful works but losing salvation will never again be the punishment for them.

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

January 1, 2004

Why does Shiloh continue to bash others when they don't agree with his/hers thoughts? I am apalled that this is allowed and tolerated on a Christian based board.
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shiloh357: You should change your user ID to SisterClueless2TheEnd. This is just typical garbage from your crowd assigning to us what you think we believe. You cannot participate in an honest or meaningful debate because your too busy telling me what I believe and putting words in my mouth. Any intelligent discourse is impossible with you.

This is hostility in its finest. I believe that not everyone will agree with each others beliefs but there is a way to handle it and go about our business in a mature fashion. I can say that I am fed up with the short time I have been here and if this continues will not be back.
Just an newbies point of view.

The fact that you have been here such a short time is an indicator that you do not have a grasp on what is going on. You need to read ahead what you posted and read the uncalled for hostility leveled against me, and others who believe as I do, not only in this thread but in others. You need to be little more informed about this before passing judgement. I have had others assigning their values to me, accusing me believing in doctrines of devils and such.

Catsmeow · January 1, 2004

Shiloh: Oh, I can't recall the verse now...it's somewhere in the NT concerning the end times...

I can't think of it...I "think" it's in Matthew 24 somewhere...about departing from the faith.

jmel: We're long past it; forgotten and over...we just move on and forgive. People get upset sometimes.

January 1, 2004

Well, I completely agree with Shiloh. The only work we have to do is to surrender our hearts to Jesus. This is a repentance. After that our sins are forgiven in the context of salvation. Our sins will never again seperate us completely from God. There will be accountability for our sinful works but losing salvation will never again be the punishment for them.

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Right on Smasher!!

Catsmeow · January 1, 2004

Well, I completely agree with Shiloh. The only work we have to do is to surrender our hearts to Jesus.

Smash: Bruh, I agree but it's a work that never ends...every day is a new challenge; every day brings new mercies.

January 1, 2004

Hello, and welcome. Here are a few of the "remarks" that started hostility here, and they were not from Shiloh. He was responding to remarks like these when he said that. These were being said either about the doctrine of OSAS, or those who hold to it, and telling those who believe OSAS what we believe: (bold added by me)

"Some Great Websites that combat this false doctrine:"

"Now, who am I supposed to believe? John Ankerberg or the Spirit of God?

1 Timothy 4:1 KJV

(1) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; "

"So how do these "smooth talkers" get such a conclusion?

shiloh357: You should change your user ID to SisterClueless2TheEnd. This is just typical garbage from your crowd assigning to us what you think we believe. You cannot participate in an honest or meaningful debate because your too busy telling me what I believe and putting words in my mouth. Any intelligent discourse is impossible with you.

Certainly not from the Bible. I'd hate to teach or base my eternal future on such unscriptural doctrines of men"

"If you cannot see the difference, then it is no surprise. OSAS teaches that obedience to God is a work. "Just sit back and rest because God did it all for you", OSAS says, while completely ignoring passages that commands us to avoid sin, stand firm, and endure to the end, claiming that to do so is "trying to earn you salvation". Sad."

Only to a doctrine that breeds this type of lawless thinking.

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I don't think Shiloh started the hostility.

jmelrok · January 1, 2004

Considering YOU DON"T sit at my computer and know what I read, I will inform you. I have read all the previous posts and just about any post you are involved in turns out to be a fight. I personally WON"T belong to a place that tolerates your actions.