Noah's Ark

[~candice~]

Actually, I do see this as important. We have a sin nature passed down from Adam. If there are 'sons of God' [not human] mating with 'daughters of men' [human], then there is a loop hole where some people [what does a human-angel protege look like...] don't have this sin nature from Adam. That has consequences I'm just not willing to accept.

Ro 5

¹²Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned ¹³for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law. ¹⁴Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.

¹⁵But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! ¹⁶Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man's sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. ¹⁷For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.

¹⁸Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men. ¹⁹For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. ²⁰The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, ²¹so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

[Fez]

Actually, I do see this as important.

Oh so do I candice, no question. I think what otherone and myself were saying is that it is not important that we agree.

I happen to agree with you, but I am not going to change otherone's mind here, and he is not going to change mine.

That's why we have kept the discussion cordial and graceful, and maybe it is making both of us think about the scriptures a bit more (which is a good thing, even though he is wrong and we disagree )

Blessings

[~candice~]

Actually, I do see this as important.

Oh so do I candice, no question. I think what otherone and myself were saying is that it is not important that we agree.

I happen to agree with you, but I am not going to change otherone's mind here, and he is not going to change mine.

That's why we have kept the discussion cordial and graceful, and maybe it is making both of us think about the scriptures a bit more (which is a good thing, even though he is wrong and we disagree )

Blessings

Yep, agreed. It's all important doctrinally. But this one particular thing is not worth breaking fellowship over.

I just wanted to point out an important theological consideration that bugs me every time this topic comes up.

[Fez]

Actually, I do see this as important.

Oh so do I candice, no question. I think what otherone and myself were saying is that it is not important that we agree.

I happen to agree with you, but I am not going to change otherone's mind here, and he is not going to change mine.

That's why we have kept the discussion cordial and graceful, and maybe it is making both of us think about the scriptures a bit more (which is a good thing, even though he is wrong and we disagree )

Blessings

Yep, agreed. It's all important doctrinally. But this one particular thing is not worth breaking fellowship over.

I just wanted to point out an important theological consideration that bugs me every time this topic comes up.

Yep, I would rather break bread with you than break fellowship And that goes for everyone......

[Tikvah1]

....Ah, so those shiny bolts that look exactly like modern steel are actually wood? As are the obviously metal braces? And the enormous metal barge upon which this entire structure sits, is that also "wood"? Seriously,....

Seriously,.... It's Not The Real Ark!

And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.

And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.

A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.

And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die. Genesis 6:13-17

From what I got from the web site, iIt will be just a size for size representation for people to get an idea of what it would look like with all the animals in it. It didn't seem to be saying that it was a floatable replica.

I agree, I think I see lots of glass (windows?) in the pictures....

More like an ark theme park sort of thing. Nothing wrong with that I suppose.

This is the small one. He is building the ark in real size's now

[Tikvah1]

....Ah, so those shiny bolts that look exactly like modern steel are actually wood? As are the obviously metal braces? And the enormous metal barge upon which this entire structure sits, is that also "wood"? Seriously,....

Seriously,.... It's Not The Real Ark!

And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.

And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.

A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.

And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die. Genesis 6:13-17

From what I got from the web site, iIt will be just a size for size representation for people to get an idea of what it would look like with all the animals in it. It didn't seem to be saying that it was a floatable replica.

I agree, I think I see lots of glass (windows?) in the pictures....

More like an ark theme park sort of thing. Nothing wrong with that I suppose.

This is the small one. He is building the ark in real size's now

[Tikvah1]

....Ah, so those shiny bolts that look exactly like modern steel are actually wood? As are the obviously metal braces? And the enormous metal barge upon which this entire structure sits, is that also "wood"? Seriously,....

Seriously,.... It's Not The Real Ark!

And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.

And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.

A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.

And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die. Genesis 6:13-17

From what I got from the web site, iIt will be just a size for size representation for people to get an idea of what it would look like with all the animals in it. It didn't seem to be saying that it was a floatable replica.

I agree, I think I see lots of glass (windows?) in the pictures....

More like an ark theme park sort of thing. Nothing wrong with that I suppose.

This is the small one. He is building the ark in real size's now

[~candice~]

Agreed, KatyAnn .

[Fez]

Agreed, KatyAnn .

Amen KatyAnn

[Botz]

Hope you're still around D-9 and will be able to answer my post on page 12 # 117...as the thread has rapidly moved into the Twilight Zone...nevertheless sparking off some speculative possibilities.