What do you think of women?

[Eliyahuw]

I don't know what you mean by "12 years of hell." I wasn't speaking about you personally, as I don't know your circumstances. I am just dissagreeing with your position on marriage. In addition, I thought I read in your profile that you were a man. As such, if you were speaking to your circumstance, how can you use the analogy of someone who won't support their family, when that responsiblity is given to the man and not the woman?

Not when the wifes spouse is unable to work. Then it falls on her shoulders.

By the way, God only allowed for divorce if adultery was involved. You need to re-read your Bible.

Adultery is mroe than sleeping with someone else. IT involves a breaking of trust in any form.

Also read your bible, it provides for more than just adultery.

Deu 24:1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give [it] in her hand, and send her out of his house.

Deu 24:3 And [if] the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth [it] in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her [to be] his wife;

SO it would appear that you missed any uncleanness which would include abuse, as well as if you do not love your spouse even hate your spouse. Divorce is approved.

[Eliyahuw]

I don't know what you mean by "12 years of hell." I wasn't speaking about you personally, as I don't know your circumstances. I am just dissagreeing with your position on marriage. In addition, I thought I read in your profile that you were a man. As such, if you were speaking to your circumstance, how can you use the analogy of someone who won't support their family, when that responsiblity is given to the man and not the woman?

Not when the wifes spouse is unable to work. Then it falls on her shoulders.

By the way, God only allowed for divorce if adultery was involved. You need to re-read your Bible.

Adultery is mroe than sleeping with someone else. IT involves a breaking of trust in any form.

Also read your bible, it provides for more than just adultery.

Deu 24:1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give [it] in her hand, and send her out of his house.

Deu 24:3 And [if] the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth [it] in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her [to be] his wife;

SO it would appear that you missed any uncleanness which would include abuse, as well as if you do not love your spouse even hate your spouse. Divorce is approved.

[Eliyahuw]

I don't know what you mean by "12 years of hell." I wasn't speaking about you personally, as I don't know your circumstances. I am just dissagreeing with your position on marriage. In addition, I thought I read in your profile that you were a man. As such, if you were speaking to your circumstance, how can you use the analogy of someone who won't support their family, when that responsiblity is given to the man and not the woman?

Not when the wifes spouse is unable to work. Then it falls on her shoulders.

By the way, God only allowed for divorce if adultery was involved. You need to re-read your Bible.

Adultery is mroe than sleeping with someone else. IT involves a breaking of trust in any form.

Also read your bible, it provides for more than just adultery.

Deu 24:1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give [it] in her hand, and send her out of his house.

Deu 24:3 And [if] the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth [it] in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her [to be] his wife;

SO it would appear that you missed any uncleanness which would include abuse, as well as if you do not love your spouse even hate your spouse. Divorce is approved.

I didn't miss anything. I have discussed this at length in posts dealing with divorce. By some uncleaness, it means sexual immorality. Some of the religious crowd were taking it to mean more than that and Jesus explained the true intentions of this law, so today we are without excuse. Adultery has nothing to do with "breaking a trust in any form." The word that was used, porneo only refers to sexual immorality. Get a Greek dictionary and look it up for yourself.

Sure you have missed a lot. You dismiss

Deu 24:1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give [it] in her hand, and send her out of his house.

Deu 24:3 And [if] the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth [it] in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her [to be] his wife;

sane' {saw-nay'}

1) to hate, be hateful

a) (Qal) to hate

1) of man

2) of God

3) hater, one hating, enemy (participle) (subst)

b) (Niphal) to be hated

c) (Piel) hater (participle)

1) of persons, nations, God, wisdom

Its pretty clear on this one. Its not adultery. Lets see many reasons can cause a spouse to hate one another. Abuse, drunkeness, drug abuse, child abuse just to name a few.

By the way, where does it say in scripture that if a man is not able to work, the responsibility to provide for the household is transfered to the wife?

Try the duties of a wife. Prov 31.

Divorce is not approved for any reason other than fornication, with the exception of abandonment of a believer by an unbeliever as is taught in 1 Corinthians.

SO you still dismiss the other reasons. Is that your way of saying that the law doesn't count.

[Eliyahuw]

Then how do you explain what Jesus said?

You mean:

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

By the way, Proverbs 31 is not giving a job description to wives. It is giving characteristics of a virtuous woman, and never says that if the man can't work, the responsiblity of providing for the household falls on her.

I would call it a description. She's married, she's doing all of these things for her house, her husband. What else would she do? Not much choice. Doesn't matter if its in the bible or not. Ohh she could refuse to do anything and starve along with her husband. SHe could divorce him and leave him to die.

Just because its not in scripture doesn't mean that it isn't part of the duties. Show me where it says she is exempt from it!

[Big Time]

And, by the way, what's wrong with putting my wife up on a pedestal? The better I treat her, the better I get treated.

That's the way it should be, but I've yet to ever meet anyone like that.

For some reason, the only females I've ever known are attracted only to big obnoxious jerks. If a man is nothing but a nice guy, they get bored with you because you don't challenge them or some junk like that. This is what Christian girls have told me. it's like they all have the battered wife syndrome or something. It's really frustrating.

[Scarletprayers]

Matthew 19: 7-9

Why then, they asked did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away. Jesus replied, Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning, I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultry.

I think I'll believe Jesus!

[Big Time]

You know I need to respond more strongly to something that was said earlier....

It was supposed to be sarcasm. I'm not ashamed of the kind of women I'm attracted to, and defy the worldly definition of beauty, but it doesn't matter, because I've never even come close to meeting anyone who wasn't histrionic or just plain nuts something.

I'm going to post more about it in the mens forum in a few minutes. There's a lot more to my issues that I'm showing here.

[Eliyahuw]

Matthew 19: 7-9

Why then, they asked did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away. Jesus replied, Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning, I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultry.

I think I'll believe Jesus!

Again

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

So is this a contradiction?

[Scarletprayers]

Matthew 19: 7-9

Why then, they asked did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away. Jesus replied, Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning, I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultry.

I think I'll believe Jesus!

Again

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

So is this a contradiction?

Jesus explained what the "heart" of the law really meant, since He was and did fulfill the law completely, there was no contradiction. Either what Jesus said was true, or He is a liar. Since God allowed it for Israel, evidently you can be forgiven for it, but wanting and hopeing doesn't change what God/Jesus actually wanted and said.

[firehill]

Then how do you explain what Jesus said?

You mean:

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

By the way, Proverbs 31 is not giving a job description to wives. It is giving characteristics of a virtuous woman, and never says that if the man can't work, the responsiblity of providing for the household falls on her.

I would call it a description. She's married, she's doing all of these things for her house, her husband. What else would she do? Not much choice. Doesn't matter if its in the bible or not. Ohh she could refuse to do anything and starve along with her husband. SHe could divorce him and leave him to die.

Just because its not in scripture doesn't mean that it isn't part of the duties. Show me where it says she is exempt from it!

No, I mean Matthew 5:32 "But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery." In this verse, Jesus tells us exactly what Moses meant by some uncleaness. To say otherwise is to accuse him of lying.

As far as showing where it isn't part of a woman's duty to provide for her household, that is simple. 1 Timothy 5:8, the verse you refered to says, "But if any provide not for HIS own, and specially for those of HIS own house, HE hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel." It is clear from the language used in this verse it is speaking of a man and not a woman. In addition, being an infidel is not grounds for divorce so it is really irrelivant.

1 Timothy 5:8 NLT

Assining grammatical pronouns to physical gender is silly.

8 But those who won