The Two Witnesses

[Guest d62447]

When the young Galilean stepped into the waters that day, all Hell began to tremble. Demons, wicked spirits, emissaries of Satan, yes, even "princes'' gazed upon that simple scene and began to quake with fear. None of the Jewish people who watched the proceeding that day knew what was taking place. To them, from Scribe to fisherman, from merchant to housewife, it was just another baptism at the hands of this prophet John, the Baptizer. But the angels of God knew, and sang with joy. And Satan knew, and feared exceedingly!

To read this article, click: http://mikevinson.home.mindspring.com/twow...sesbritton.html

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings d62447,

Are you Mike Evinson? I liked the article and pretty much agree with it. I do have a couple questions but the one I would like you to respond to is:

The Two Witnesses are two olive trees and two lampstands. I believe that these represent Jews PLUS Gentiles in Christ, particularly those 2 olive trees (the wild and the natural) mentioned in Romans 11. What are your thoughts on this?

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Guest dove2]

I think the two witnesses will be Elijah and St. John. Elijah because he is Old Testament and John because he is New Testament. They have to know the Old and New Coventant. Elijah never died and St. John is thought to have not died either because Jesus said to the disciples, "What is it if John tarries until I come." (paraphrased)

[Dad Ernie]

I think the two witnesses will be Elijah and St. John. Elijah because he is Old Testament and John because he is New Testament. They have to know the Old and New Coventant. Elijah never died and St. John is thought to have not died either because Jesus said to the disciples, "What is it if John tarries until I come." (paraphrased)

Greetings Dove2,

So you must believe in "reincarnation", is that right? You may do well to read 1 Cor 15.

ALSO:

John 21:23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?

Be careful what you read INTO the text. Take it for what it says and what other scriptures help to give you understanding about it.

Now IF the two witnesses had been anyone that ever lived, and you DO NOT believe in reincarnation, consider that it is appointed unto man ONCE to die, then the judgment. How can say Moses, who died, come back to live THEN die again?

Sure doesn't make much sense with all other scriptures - does it?

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Guest dove2]

DE: You know for a fact that I don't believe in reincarnation.

Elijah never died and that I can find John never died. If Elijah died or John died then show me where. The Bible plainly says that God took Moses and buried him. The Bible says nothing about Elijah or John dying.

You don't believe the two witnesses will be actual living people?

[Tyler]

The only ones who I know who have not died are Elijah, and Enoch, for both were taken up to heaven in a whirlwind!

That's who I think the two witnesses will be!

Only Christ Saves

[Dad Ernie]

DE: You know for a fact that I don't believe in reincarnation.

Elijah never died and that I can find John never died. If Elijah died or John died then show me where. The Bible plainly says that God took Moses and buried him. The Bible says nothing about Elijah or John dying.

You don't believe the two witnesses will be actual living people?

Greetings Dove2,

Have you read the article from the web page that started this thread? If not, you may want to. It pretty much lines up with what I believe regarding the two witnesses.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

P.S. Elijah and Moses showed up on the Mt. of transfiguration to Jesus and some of His disciples. They appeared "in glory", the same glory with which Jesus became veiled. Now, 1 Cor 15 states that flesh and blood does not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. That is where I believe Elijah and Moses were and are now. They are NOT in their "physical bodies", thus in searching the scriptures, how can I explain this? We are told that at the resurrection, we shall "be changed" to be like Him. So I must conclude that Elijah and Moses have already "been changed" and received their NEW bodies to be like Jesus. Only ONE has come from Heaven to live in bodily form and that was Jesus, so why should I believe that anyone else will come from heaven again, take on a physical body, and then die and go to heaven?

Can you understand this "mystery" any better than this - from the scriptures?

[eric]

Hi DadE, I would be grateful if you could give me the scripture where it states that Moses and Elijah appeared in the same glory as Jesus.

Matt.17:1. After six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John, his brother and bringeth them up to an high mountain apart.

(2) And was transfiguted before them: and his face did shine as the sun and his raiment was white as the light.

(3) and, behold,there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

There is no mention of Moses and Elijah being shining and glorified as Jesus.

The same is recorded in Mark. 9:2

And in John 1:14, John said, and ( we beheld HIS glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

No mention of Moses or Elijah here of being glorified either. In fact I cant find anywhere in the word where they were seen in glorified bodies, or of anyone else for that matter. So I would be grateful if you could illucidate your claim.

In Christ...eric

[Dad Ernie]

I would be grateful if you could give me the scripture where it states that Moses and Elijah appeared in the same glory as Jesus.

Greetings Eric,

Luke 9:29-31 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering. 30 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias: 31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.

1391 doxa {dox'-ah}

from the base of 1380; TDNT - 2:233,178; n f

AV - glory 145, glorious 10, honour 6, praise 4, dignity 2,

worship 1; 168

1) opinion, judgment, view

2) opinion, estimate, whether good or bad concerning someone

2a) in the NT always a good opinion concerning one, resulting

in praise, honour, and glory

3) splendour, brightness

3a) of the moon, sun, stars

3b) magnificence, excellence, preeminence, dignity, grace

3c) majesty

3c1) a thing belonging to God

3c1) the kingly majesty which belongs to Him as supreme

ruler, majesty in the sense of the absolute

perfection of the deity

3c2) a thing belonging to Christ

3c2a) the kingly majesty of the Messiah

3c2b) the absolutely perfect inward or personal

excellency of Christ; the majesty

3c3) of the angels

3c3a) as apparent in their exterior brightness

4) a most glorious condition, most exalted state

4a) of that condition with God the Father in heaven to which

Christ was raised after He had achieved his work on earth

4b) the glorious condition of blessedness into which is

appointed and promised that true Christians shall enter

after their Saviour's return from heaven

The word "glory" above is the same as in these verses:

Matthew 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Matthitjah]

Grace , Peace, and Love in Christ Jesus!

DE: You know for a fact that I don't believe in reincarnation.

Elijah never died and that I can find John never died. If Elijah died or John died then show me where. The Bible plainly says that God took Moses and buried him. The Bible says nothing about Elijah or John dying.

You don't believe the two witnesses will be actual living people?

Hi Dove,

Heb