Spiritual Language (Tongues)

[Yahsway]

Great Post Vickilynn! You know I was saved for many years before God gave me the gift of speaking in tongues.

It is as you say. the same Spirit, but not all recieve the same gift. Tongues is not a sign of salvation. It is a "gift" given by God to whom He wills to give it to.

Again, great post and I hope some here will read it and understand. Shalom

[Guest Faith it]

A spiritual language is something I've prayed for in the past but never experienced. Anyone care to describe what it was like when you first spoke in tongues?

Just wanted to say you should be baptized in the Holy Spirit. Tongues is the evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit.It is faith magnified to the highest degree. You have to speak it out by faith first in oder to receive it. It is all really awesome and surprising. You don't know what your trying to say but it is so powerful once you do speak in the Holy Spirit!I tis a gift that many deny.I don't quite understand how anyone can deny any Spiritual gift from GOD!But I must tell you if you do it will help you strenthen you and empower you.To be able to pray out mysteries, that you might not even know that you needed to pray about . You see its a Holy language, that only GOD can understand.When you get saved you receive the Holy Spirit which is to guide you. Well when you pray in the Spirit ,your praying about things that only the Holy Spirit knows. Maybe prayer is needed just for your day, or for the right words to speak when someone asks the very question you asked . Its to help you, if you have to intercede for someone say you know when you can tell if someone is not feeling that great by the way they look or act.They don't necessarily want to tell you or maybe its something personal. All you do is speak in the spirit and intercede for them with out knowing the actual problem. The Holy Spirit knows, so all you do is Pray in the spirit and its taken care of.you understand?It is awesome.I could go on if you let me. But I don't kmow if you even want to know more so I'll just leave it at that.I hope it encouraged you , GOD BLESS

[Guest Faith it]

I am also non-denominational. I just believe in all that the bible says. Anyway, your testimony sounded great. Really, it did. But how am I supposed to believe based on an experience in which you claim you had. My problem is that I dont see this private prayer language biblically. Everything needs to be based upon what the scriptures say. The bible talks about how the heart is wicked and will decieve you and that the only person who knows the hearts of men is God. So obviously an experience will not prove something to me unless it goes along with the scripture. I understand your view on things though but you understand how it would be hard for me to accept what your saying.

And let me clarify that I understand the day of pentecost was a one time thing. That is what I was trying to say. Nothing like this ever happened again but during that time everyone and it does say all of the people there recieved the gift of tongues but the way the holy spirit came upon us obviously changed.

In conclusion, I just want to see some biblical evidence. Show me how you can say you have this prayer language and that the gifts of the holy spirit are still being distributed through evidence in the Bible. Not from personal experiences. And I will try my hardest to not be biased towards whatever you might show me. Thank you. Your brother in Christ, matthew

I would very much like to give you the Scripture that opened my eyes to this most unusual phenomenon called "speaking in tongues". Most of the heavy lifting is found in the 14th chapter of 1 Corinthians mainly because the Corinthian church had a great deal of trouble with the spiritual gifts. Paul wrote 1 Corinthians to straighten out many problems within the church such as a man having an affair with his step-mom and the church being proud of the fact that they not only toleraterd this behavior, but boasted of it to prove just how tolerant they were of fellow church members.

The best place to start is 1 Corinthians 14:2, 4, 14, 18-19 (showing that tongues is not designed to bring instruction in corporate worship) and verse 21 (the OT basis for tongues - Isaiah 28:11). A careful study of the 14th chapter of 1 Corinthians will show that the unknown tongue is for the personal edification (or maturation) of a child of God, not the church as a corporate gathering of worshipping believers. Prophesy is to be used to build up the corporate body of believers when they meet for worship and instruction.The little book of Jude (just before Revelation), only one chapter long, also sheds light on the tongue question in verse 20.

So, you see, my beliefs are Scripturally based. My personal experience merely validates what the Word of God has said all along. Because of my denominational bias, I wasn't able to clearly see what Scriptures teach on the subject of the unknown tongue, which really isn't an unknown language but is instead a very viable language spoken today as it has been since before the foundations of the world were laid. It is the language of the Trinity and this is proven in the Scrikptures as well.

My experience isn't for everyone, but it was the only way God could open my blind eyes to see His glorious gifts He wanted so badly to give to me. However you slice this loaf of bread, one thing remains constant. God will always back up with the Scriptures anything He may show you during private worship. If He tells you something in private, as He did to me that September day in 1983, He will always show you in His word what He told you in private. That is, if you are willing to let the Holy Spirit teach you instead of relying on others to teach you. No one reading what happened to me should take my words at face value, they should instead search the scriptures to see if what I said lines up with what Scripture teaches. I applaud your stand in not accepting what happened to me without Scriptural support. But, please let the Holy Spirit guide you in your Scriptual research, for only then will it be truly accurate.

That was so good I just have to say, it is a gift GOD wants us all, to have But it takes faith to receive it .If you don't have faith to receive it then you won't have it !But it is available to us all so take it.I know I need it .

[Floatingaxe]

Hey, EphesiansGal!

I sooooo agree!

[Vickilynn]

Hi Vicki and Ralph,

You are right not to want to argue about it, but there is a place for getting things out in the open: discussion is healthy in that respect. Provided we can all be mature and mindful of preserving unity in the body we can all learn from each other. Sometimes easier said than done!

Shalom EphesiansGal,

Well seeing as how this discussion disintegrated into something NOT edifying, I decided to bow out.

However, if there is someone like yourself willing to discuss it with grace and respect, I'm all in.

One of my denominational experiences included a congregation which believed as you do that the baptism was automatic at conversion.

Let me clarify my position for you.

I am not denominational. I did not learn this from a denomination. In fact, my first church was Pentecostal and they taught me ALL about the so-called "secondary" baptism of the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues and it wasn't until I sought the Scriptures and the L-rd for myself that I knew I had been taught wrongly. I learned by reading the Scriptures and praying. And I believe FROM THE SCRIPTURES that the infilling of the Holy Spirit occurs at salvation. This is the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

However, there is a continual filling that occurs as we walk with Him and are open to the Holy Spirit filling us up, empowering us, teaching us, and in some cases, giving us the gift of speaking in tongues.

[Floatingaxe]

I am not denominational. I did not learn this from a denomination. In fact, my first church was Pentecostal and they taught me ALL about the so-called "secondary" baptism of the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues and it wasn't until I sought the Scriptures and the L-rd for myself that I knew I had been taught wrongly. I learned by reading the Scriptures and praying. And I believe FROM THE SCRIPTURES that the infilling of the Holy Spirit occurs at salvation. This is the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

While I commend you in eschewing denominationalism, I think perhaps you have thrown out the baby with the bathwater. Does your church you attend now teach this?

The baptism of the Holy spirit has not been taught as an occurence at salvation. Believers normally come to have such a baptism of power later in their walk, as is demonstrated in Scripture.

[Ovedya]

I am not denominational. I did not learn this from a denomination. In fact, my first church was Pentecostal and they taught me ALL about the so-called "secondary" baptism of the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues and it wasn't until I sought the Scriptures and the L-rd for myself that I knew I had been taught wrongly. I learned by reading the Scriptures and praying. And I believe FROM THE SCRIPTURES that the infilling of the Holy Spirit occurs at salvation. This is the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

While I commend you in eschewing denominationalism, I think perhaps you have thrown out the baby with the bathwater. Does your church you attend now teach this?

The baptism of the Holy spirit has not been taught as an occurence at salvation. Believers normally come to have such a baptism of power later in their walk, as is demonstrated in Scripture.

How is that demonstrated ion Scripture if at every instance when a believer is saved they have such a baptism. Is there any particular verse or verses which show that believers receive such a baptism sometime after their confession of Christ?

[Floatingaxe]

I am not denominational. I did not learn this from a denomination. In fact, my first church was Pentecostal and they taught me ALL about the so-called "secondary" baptism of the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues and it wasn't until I sought the Scriptures and the L-rd for myself that I knew I had been taught wrongly. I learned by reading the Scriptures and praying. And I believe FROM THE SCRIPTURES that the infilling of the Holy Spirit occurs at salvation. This is the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

While I commend you in eschewing denominationalism, I think perhaps you have thrown out the baby with the bathwater. Does your church you attend now teach this?

The baptism of the Holy spirit has not been taught as an occurence at salvation. Believers normally come to have such a baptism of power later in their walk, as is demonstrated in Scripture.

How is that demonstrated ion Scripture if at every instance when a believer is saved they have such a baptism. Is there any particular verse or verses which show that believers receive such a baptism sometime after their confession of Christ?

Just go back to the scripture I posted. An excellent example given there. Post #137...believers who had come to Christ, but had not had the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

[Ovedya]

Acts 19...

1 While Apollos was in Corinth, Paul traveled through the interior regions until he reached Ephesus, on the coast, where he found several believers. 2 "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" he asked them.

"No," they replied, "we haven

[Floatingaxe]

Acts 19...

1 While Apollos was in Corinth, Paul traveled through the interior regions until he reached Ephesus, on the coast, where he found several believers. 2 "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" he asked them.

"No," they replied, "we haven