Spiritual Language (Tongues)

[Floatingaxe]

One benefit of the private, devotional practice of "tongues" is Personal edification.

Jude 1:20

But You, beloved, building yourselves (not each other) up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit.

FA Bible translation says-

"But you dear friends must build EACH OTHER up....

Praying in tongues is for edification and the building up of the INDIVIDUAL who is praying in The Spirit. For the individual is speaking "mysteries" to God, NOT to another member of the body.

The use of tongues is a means of private self-edification. This practice does not denote selfishness, but rather spiritual strengthening. Prophecy however builds up, encourages, and comforts others in the church.

Amen!

Jude 20 says what it says, however. I just happened to use the NLV there. We are supposed to build each other up, and we are supposed to be praying in the Spirit, which, of course, builds our own faith.

[Yahsway]

Building each other up is not praying in tongues in a corporate worship setting but rather a private, self edification between you and God. This helps to build the body up in loving attitudes and behavior towards the body of believers thru the Holy Spirits work within the individual.

Now if you are praying with another believer in their own language as prompted by the Holy Spirit, then I would say that this is building up of that individual.

But to pray with groanings that cannot be uttered or in a tongue unkown to the one praying and to the one being prayed for, this does not build up the one being prayed for, For how can that person come into agreement or say Amen?

Let me be clear on one thing. There are many people in the church today (Tares) that speak in tongues. There are snakes in the pews folks. This is a given. I saw it personally at Brownsville. And much that happened there was NOT of God.

I wont even as much take an "unspoken" prayer request because I do not know for sure what that person is praying for. For all I know they could be praying that Sister Doe leave her husband Brother Doe so they could have a relationship with that person. See what I mean?

In the corporate setting, eveything must be done decently and in order. Sadly thats not the case in many assemblies.

I know, for I was a worship leader in the Assembly of God for many years.

[Will Hill]

Pentecostal churches are the ones that practice this. Tongues have been gone since the New Testament and anyone who says they exist is probably pentecostal. Speaking in tongues is not needed because we are able to figure out languages so that gift is not existing anymore.

[Vickilynn]

Building each other up is not praying in tongues in a corporate worship setting but rather a private, self edification between you and God. This helps to build the body up in loving attitudes and behavior towards the body of believers thru the Holy Spirits work within the individual.

Shalom Yahsway,

However, this is not what we've seen HERE in this thread by people proclaiming to be baptized in the Spirit and preaching it as a secondary baptism. This is one way for the Believer to discern whether the person touting the Holy Spirit baptism is actually worshiping the gifts or the Giver. If there is no love, no grace, there is no work of the Holy Spirit.

We must test the spirits, for not all that proclaim to be from G-d actually are. Look and see if they walk in the Spirit, or the flesh.

[matthew4:4]

Well sweetie,

All the gifts ARE practised in the true church, of which I am a member. They aren't practised in the false church, thats the thing. My church is Christ's church or it is not church. My FELLOWSHIP is something more local, but it still has no label, and consists of Christians I have met homeless in my locality, Christians I know in my neighbourhood, in the local denominations, and Christians I meet on the internet etc.. etc.

The tongues issue, speaking in tongues, Paul says we speak mysteries unto God.

In 1Cor.2 we find this,

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

So you see you can't fathom the deep things of God with a few words on a page and a human intellect alone. You need the Holy Spirit to reveal the mysteries, including the mysteries of His word.

Now regarding following "the rules". No one, repeat NO ONE follows the rules all the time, however good they might make it look. We all have a body of flesh with impure impulses, shapen in sin. Guarantee that all those that would try to convince you that they follow the rules perfectly, have sexual fantasies, have sinful imaginings, have sinful habits and tendencies, and GOD KNOWS THEM ALL.

Remember, Jesus died for us, knowing exactly how we would fail Him and when. It didn't stop Him going to His death, paying the price for what we have done, so that we can be with Him without punishment.

Matthew you have a healthy enquiring mind, don't let it be spoiled by those who would have you squeeze into their legalistic and otherwise false doctrine. Jesus loves you Himself. He wants to tell you Himself. He wants to show you Himself. He wants to share some of those wonderful mysteries.

He wants to give you abundant life.

Much love from EphesiansGal

A spiritual language is something I've prayed for in the past but never experienced. Anyone care to describe what it was like when you first spoke in tongues?

WELL its really hard to describe but when i was baptised with the holy spirit and spoke in tounges it was like an electric charge hit me it took some time for my prayer language to develop but i will tell it something to seek

Please explain to me why you all seem to recieve tongues. Its one of the less important gifts in Paul's opinion. But all of you seem to love it and have it. Tongues was not given to everyone! Paul says it! One person may recieve prophecy, one the distinguishing of spirits, one different kinds of tongues. Why do so many people claim to have tongues? Maybe because its not the true tongues. Not the tongues from biblical times. With all the things you guys tell me, it seems to prove what I'm saying even further. And please show me where your proof is for this private prayer language. I see no evidence for it. Give me some reasoning but nothing based on experiences. The experiences you have had mean nothing unless they are confirmed by the Bible. One more thing for ephesians girl. Tell me. If in your church you guys practice the gifts, do you atleast follow the rules set by Paul in corinthians? And not just sometimes but all the time? Im looking forward to your response. Your brother in Christ, matthew

In the true church? So that church I go to where these gifts are not practiced is considered a false church then? I went to my church in south Florida last sunday and my girlfriend and I both were moved to tears. It was a truly amazing and powerful spirit. Theres no need for any jumping around charsmatic type activity. It was great the way it was. A message I hope I never forget. So, excuse me but I believe this church is very edifying. It was at point one of the fastest growing churches in the country.

Anyway, getting back to the "prayer language". First of all that verse you gave me says nothing about a private "prayer language". Are you honestly telling me it does? If so, please explain.

Now as far as the rules go, you are just putting them aside obviously. Are you saying its ok for your church not to follow those rules since we all break the rules sometimes?

Orderly Worship

26 What then, brothers? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for building up. 27 If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret. 28 But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God. 29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said. 30 If a revelation is made to another sitting there, let the first be silent. 31 For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all be encouraged, 32 and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets. 33 For God is not a God of confusion but of peace.

As in all the churches of the saints, 34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. 35 If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.

36 Or was it from you that the word of God came? Or are you the only ones it has reached? 37 If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord. 38 If anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized. 39 So, my brothers, earnestly desire to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. 40 But all things should be done decently and in order.

These are the rules given by Paul through the inspiration of God. If your churches do not follow these rules then you should correct the issue immidiately. No tongues if there is not an interpreter! It seems to proof to us that the reason there is no interpreter is because there is nothing there to interpret. That there is no tongues today. Paul doesnt say you must interpret unless its the grace gift of tongues. No. He does not distinguish between two types of tongues anywhere. The first example of tongues does not show any hint of this "prayer language". Look at your supposed verses a bit closer. You can't say it's the gift of tongues just because you had some sort of experience. The heart is wicked and can fool you. Only God knows the hearts of men. Please look it over or show me another verse you believe proves your point and explain why. Pray for God to shine his light on these issues even if you think your right. I will do the same. Your brother in Christ, matthew

[Yahsway]

Shalom Shalom Vickilynn, EXACTLY!

[Floatingaxe]

Pentecostal churches are the ones that practice this. Tongues have been gone since the New Testament and anyone who says they exist is probably pentecostal. Speaking in tongues is not needed because we are able to figure out languages so that gift is not existing anymore.

That is so far off the truth that it is almost funny. You propose to know why something no loger exists, yet it still exisits?

I am not pentecostal, and I don't know many who are, yet I know hundreds of people personally who have tongues. Go figure! God is sovereign and He is not mocked.

[Yahsway]

Greetings matthew 4:4

1 Corinthians 14:2

For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to MEN but to GOD.

Pauls assertion clearly establishes the primary purpose for tongues as the gift of the Spirit for PRIVATE worship. Tongues are intended for Personal prayer and praise to God.

verse 14

For if I PRAY in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful.

Its a spiritual form of expression since Man is not the goal. the operation is not the mind but the spirit. We worship God in spirit and in truth.

Paul clearly reveales the place of tongues in his own personal prayer life.

[Floatingaxe]

Pentecostal churches are the ones that practice this. Tongues have been gone since the New Testament and anyone who says they exist is probably pentecostal. Speaking in tongues is not needed because we are able to figure out languages so that gift is not existing anymore.

That is so far off the truth that it is almost funny. You propose to know why something no loger exists, yet it still exisits?

I am not pentecostal, and I don't know many who are, yet I know hundreds of people personally who have tongues. Go figure! God is sovereign and He is not mocked.

I am Pentecostal, and make no bones about it, neither am I ashamed to be associated with other Pentecostals. At the same time, I know of people that are spirit filled and speak in tongues that are part of differen't denominations including Baptist. This is not limited to only those with the title Pentecostal or Charasmatic or Apostolic. God's Spirit is available to all who wish to receive the free gift. I even know of a spirit filled Presbyterian? Imagine that.

Amen! The gift is for everyone...the Church, not individual churches!

[Vickilynn]

In the true church? So that church I go to where these gifts are not practiced is considered a false church then? I went to my church in south Florida last sunday and my girlfriend and I both were moved to tears. It was a truly amazing and powerful spirit. Theres no need for any jumping around charsmatic type activity. It was great the way it was. A message I hope I never forget. So, excuse me but I believe this church is very edifying. It was at point one of the fastest growing churches in the country.

Anyway, getting back to the "prayer language". First of all that verse you gave me says nothing about a private "prayer language". Are you honestly telling me it does? If so, please explain.

Now as far as the rules go, you are just putting them aside obviously. Are you saying its ok for your church not to follow those rules since we all break the rules sometimes?

Orderly Worship

26 What then, brothers? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for building up. 27 If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret. 28 But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God. 29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said. 30 If a revelation is made to another sitting there, let the first be silent. 31 For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all be encouraged, 32 and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets. 33 For God is not a God of confusion but of peace.

As in all the churches of the saints, 34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. 35 If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.

36 Or was it from you that the word of God came? Or are you the only ones it has reached? 37 If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord. 38 If anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized. 39 So, my brothers, earnestly desire to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. 40 But all things should be done decently and in order.

These are the rules given by Paul through the inspiration of God. If your churches do not follow these rules then you should correct the issue immidiately. No tongues if there is not an interpreter! It seems to proof to us that the reason there is no interpreter is because there is nothing there to interpret. That there is no tongues today. Paul doesnt say you must interpret unless its the grace gift of tongues. No. He does not distinguish between two types of tongues anywhere. The first example of tongues does not show any hint of this "prayer language". Look at your supposed verses a bit closer. You can't say it's the gift of tongues just because you had some sort of experience. The heart is wicked and can fool you. Only God knows the hearts of men. Please look it over or show me another verse you believe proves your point and explain why. Pray for God to shine his light on these issues even if you think your right. I will do the same. Your brother in Christ, matthew

Shalom Matthew,

Amen!