Strange bible study

[spearmint]

Hi there Saints....

I attended a Women's Bible study in our church last week. Before we ended our session our leader made a comment that Satan controls the world. I was in total shock when she said this so I told her it's not Satan who controls the world but God. She said it was in the Bible that God gave Satan a power to control the world and that Satan is the prince of the world that's why everything that's happening around us is being controlled by Satan. I totally disagree with this. Although I've been a Christian for so many years now, I haven't really studied the Bible thoroughly that's why I felt so helpless that I can't even express what I really believe in. I was completely surprised that some of the women present agreed of what our leader had to say.

I'd appreciate your wisdom and enlightenment.... Please pray for me as I really want to know God more and grow spiritually.

May you all be blessed!

[Guest]

A little truth but Be of good cheer!

As much as he would like to be, Satan is not God

Jesus Won!

Mind - Blinder

"In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." (2 Corinthians 2:3-4)

Roaring

"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:" (1 Peter 5:8)

Smack Down

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." (Ephesians 6:12)

Stand Fast

"Neither give place to the devil." (Ephesians 4:27)

His Name - Satan Bane

"And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name." (Luke 10:17)

Destroyed

"He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil." (1 John 3:8)

Swimeth

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." (Revelation 20:10)

Looks like they got it part right and a lot wrong.

"Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre." (Psalms 45:6)

"But God is the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another." (Psalms 75:7)

"But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased." (Psalms 115:3)

"Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation." (Isaiah 12:2)

Love, Joe

[Leonard]

Where the Bible says satan is the 'god' of this 'world,' the Greek text has the word 'cosmos,' which really means: 'the system.' Paul is not alluding to the physical world, which God pronounced 'good' and never retracted that statement.

Unfortunately many, many Christians confuse 'the system,' with our beautiful planet, because of a carryover from 2nd, 3rd and 4th century Gnostic pollutions. The earth is GOOD, and the universe is God's.

Did you know the Scripture tells us EXACTLY why Jesus came? It says "For THIS PURPOSE was the Son of God manifested: that He might destroy the works of the devil." Do we believe Jesus failed? Of course not. The works of the devil ARE destroyed; WERE destroyed 2,000 years ago!

When the Scripture speaks of Jesus 'defeating satan,' 'crushing his head,' 'triumphing over him,' and 'putting him to an open shame,' that is extremely powerful verbiage. Don't the people in your Bible study believe in the supreme VICTORY of the Son of God?

Besides all that, Jesus also made the astonishing claim that ALL POWER IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH WAS GIVEN TO HIMSELF! If Jesus has it ALL, then satan has NONE.So we must ask ourselves, how can the devil, with his 'crushed head,' and NO power, do anything to us?

There is only ONE POSSIBLE WAY. The Lord Jesus has so loved and trusted His people, that He has made it so that the ordinary way for His power to be mediated to the earth is through.....THE WORDS, SPEECH, AND BELIEVING OF HIS PEOPLE! By our own words, we can mediate Christ's holy power for good or for ill. When people foolishly speak of satan as a powerful being, THEY THEMSELVES prostitute the power of Christ to satan, and BUILD UP THE ENEMY'S KINGDOM, and enable him to do his wicked acts against us. God's people must learn to stop speaking such foolishness.

In fact, if you remember, the 'false prophet' of the book of Revelation 'gives power to the image of the beast.' Well, the words False Prophet in the Greek text simply mean 'Forthteller of Lies.' When we speak against God's word, WE OURSELVES ARE 'forthtelling lies!' When we disagree with God, that False Prophet lives RIGHT IN OUR OWN MOUTHS! If you get rid of THAT False Prophet, you will need have NO FEAR of any false prophet to come..........

[wildside]

I haven't written here in a long time but this is a subject that does interest me and I believe I have some biblical knowledge of this subject so I will add what I can in hope for more responses.

Joe wrote "god of this world," this very arguably refers to Satan in my opinion. (2 Cor 4:4)

Though he may be the god of this world. The God we serve is the one true God, Creator of and Master over all the universe. Though He is this immense his eye is on the sparrow (Mathew 10:29) and we know his great love for us because of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

Satan showed Jesus all the kingdoms of earth when He was being tempted in the wilderness and he said he would give Jesus all of it if He would worship him. Jesus' response was "Get thee hence Satan for it is written that you shall worship the LORD your God and him only will you serve." He did not rebuke him by saying that he was lying (though he is the father of lies) only by refusing to do what he said. Could he have given the world to Jesus? The world was meant for Jesus to rule and He knew that, hence the deception, but thank God Jesus knew what his first mission as the suffering servant was (Daniel 9:26)(Isaiah 53:5) and He did not forsake it but fulfilled his mission.

Satan goes to and fro on the earth (Job 1:7) (1 Peter 5:8) and sets up thrones (revelation 2:13)and sets himself as a king (Ezekiel 28:12-19). Now these two verses in consideration, we all know that evil men are in power on the earth, the extent of the evil in control is not yet known by most people. We know that world leaders network through the United Nations. I don't know much of what the EU is about personally, but it is apparently an emerging power. I don't know what will become of the world from now until the antichrist rises to power, but this world will never be completely under the control of the evil one as long as there are some of us there to resist, willing to fight and die for what we believe in. (Daniel 7:21) (Revelation 13:7)

[Guest]

Great study!

Thanks Guys!

[Floatingaxe]

I haven't written here in a long time but this is a subject that does interest me and I believe I have some biblical knowledge of this subject so I will add what I can in hope for more responses.

Joe wrote "god of this world," this very arguably refers to Satan in my opinion. (2 Cor 4:4)

Though he may be the god of this world. The God we serve is the one true God, Creator of and Master over all the universe. Though He is this immense his eye is on the sparrow (Mathew 10:29) and we know his great love for us because of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

Satan showed Jesus all the kingdoms of earth when He was being tempted in the wilderness and he said he would give Jesus all of it if He would worship him. Jesus' response was "Get thee hence Satan for it is written that you shall worship the LORD your God and him only will you serve." He did not rebuke him by saying that he was lying (though he is the father of lies) only by refusing to do what he said. Could he have given the world to Jesus? The world was meant for Jesus to rule and He knew that, hence the deception, but thank God Jesus knew what his first mission as the suffering servant was (Daniel 9:26)(Isaiah 53:5) and He did not forsake it but fulfilled his mission.

Satan goes to and fro on the earth (Job 1:7) (1 Peter 5:8) and sets up thrones (revelation 2:13)and sets himself as a king (Ezekiel 28:12-19). Now these two verses in consideration, we all know that evil men are in power on the earth, the extent of the evil in control is not yet known by most people. We know that world leaders network through the United Nations. I don't know much of what the EU is about personally, but it is apparently an emerging power. I don't know what will become of the world from now until the antichrist rises to power, but this world will never be completely under the control of the evil one as long as there are some of us there to resist, willing to fight and die for what we believe in. (Daniel 7:21) (Revelation 13:7)

This world is not our home. The world system is dominated by Satan. We just live here as salt and light, taking back from that kingdom of darkness as many as will come to Christ.

[elkieDannsa' Air An Drochaid]

Hi there Saints....

I attended a Women's Bible study in our church last week. Before we ended our session our leader made a comment that Satan controls the world. I was in total shock when she said this so I told her it's not Satan who controls the world but God. She said it was in the Bible that God gave Satan a power to control the world and that Satan is the prince of the world that's why everything that's happening around us is being controlled by Satan. I totally disagree with this. Although I've been a Christian for so many years now, I haven't really studied the Bible thoroughly that's why I felt so helpless that I can't even express what I really believe in. I was completely surprised that some of the women present agreed of what our leader had to say.

I'd appreciate your wisdom and enlightenment.... Please pray for me as I really want to know God more and grow spiritually.

May you all be blessed!

I agree with Leonard. It is Gods earth and universe and He hath declared it good!

The Bible is talking about worldy, meaning things of this system, not things of earth.

The cult of the J witnesses actually teach it is satans world, they give him far to much power and control than he really even has, and talk more of him than God. They deny Jesus as God and Gods rule over all the earth now. It is God's earth and universe. That was indeed a "Bible Study" that I would not go to, they are not teaching correctly and it is far too similar to the false cultic teachings I have seen before.

You know, some people will call something a "Bible Study" ; but, they aren't really studying the Bible it self , but taking verses out of context to teach false things. Sometimes so called Bible studies are realy only some other book study and not even real Bible Study at all!

I think you need a real Bible study and better one for sure.

I am glady you stood your ground and did not go for that false teaching, too!

Jesus has all power.

Blessings,

elkie

[Floatingaxe]

Hi there Saints....

I attended a Women's Bible study in our church last week. Before we ended our session our leader made a comment that Satan controls the world. I was in total shock when she said this so I told her it's not Satan who controls the world but God. She said it was in the Bible that God gave Satan a power to control the world and that Satan is the prince of the world that's why everything that's happening around us is being controlled by Satan. I totally disagree with this. Although I've been a Christian for so many years now, I haven't really studied the Bible thoroughly that's why I felt so helpless that I can't even express what I really believe in. I was completely surprised that some of the women present agreed of what our leader had to say.

I'd appreciate your wisdom and enlightenment.... Please pray for me as I really want to know God more and grow spiritually.

May you all be blessed!

I agree with Leonard. It is Gods earth and universe and He hath declared it good!

The Bible is talking about worldy, meaning things of this system, not things of earth.

The cult of the J witnesses actually teach it is satans world, they give him far to much power and control than he really even has, and talk more of him than God. They deny Jesus as God and Gods rule over all the earth now. It is God's earth and universe. That was indeed a "Bible Study" that I would not go to, they are not teaching correctly and it is far too similar to the false cultic teachings I have seen before.

You know, some people will call something a "Bible Study" ; but, they aren't really studying the Bible it self , but taking verses out of context to teach false things. Sometimes so called Bible studies are realy only some other book study and not even real Bible Study at all!

I think you need a real Bible study and better one for sure.

I am glady you stood your ground and did not go for that false teaching, too!

Jesus has all power.

Blessings,

elkie

It wasn't false at all. We are at war, and we battle principalities and powers here. This is Satan's domain we are living in. We are the light and salt to this dark world. We must be careful not to teach that "pie in the sky" notion that the devil is absent. He is not. He is a loser, yes, but he is still working to deceive. It is up to the Lord God and His army here on earth to take back what the enemy has stolen.

Ephesians 6:12

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

[princess_childofthekingofkings]

Hi there Saints....

I attended a Women's Bible study in our church last week. Before we ended our session our leader made a comment that Satan controls the world. I was in total shock when she said this so I told her it's not Satan who controls the world but God. She said it was in the Bible that God gave Satan a power to control the world and that Satan is the prince of the world that's why everything that's happening around us is being controlled by Satan. I totally disagree with this. Although I've been a Christian for so many years now, I haven't really studied the Bible thoroughly that's why I felt so helpless that I can't even express what I really believe in. I was completely surprised that some of the women present agreed of what our leader had to say.

I'd appreciate your wisdom and enlightenment.... Please pray for me as I really want to know God more and grow spiritually.

May you all be blessed!

ummm yeah...i'm pretty sure without reading anything about it in the bible, that God loves us too much to put satan in cahrge of us. because if satan were in charge of us, he'd make life miserbale. there'd be like zero good in the world. i don' think satan's in charge of us. sure he tempts and manipulates people every now and then, but he doesn't completely control those people unless they chose to let him. and everybody in the world doesn't chose to let him.

Edited March 25, 2007 by princess_childofthekingofkings

[Yahsway]

Wow Leonard! I totally agree with all you have said. I know my Savior is coming back to this earth and will take out of it all that offends and he will set his kingdom up from Jerusalem that is on this earth and from there He will rule and riegn all the nations for 1000 years.

I do not know why some denominations still hold on to some Gnostic beliefs. I can see you have truly done your homework on this. I myself have been studying Gnostic beliefs and can see where I have been taught some of what they believed and taught.

You are right! God made the heavens and the earth and declared it was good! The physical earth is good. The spiritual corruption brought about by satan is what is bad. But, Jesus said be of Good cheer. He has overcome the world meaning the worldy system.

And I do not need to take back what the devil stole. Jesus already did that for me. He has redeemed me by His blood, He is my pearl of great price.

Plow on Leonard! Wonderful post my friend