No Second Chance

[OneAccord]

I am wondering if you all could help me out with some verses that confirm that there will be no second chances to repent after someone dies. Thanks in advance.

[Guest Calamity]

Heb.9

[27] And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

2Cor.5

[8] We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Luke 16

[22] And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

[23] And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

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Hello One Accord

Revelation 14

9Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

Does not sound like those who recieve the mark of the beast will have a second chance does it? their torment will acend forever and ever.

Mark3

28 "Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; 29but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation"-- 30because they said, "He has an unclean spirit."

never ? eternal ? pretty definite terms?

Don't fall to the deception of the ear ticklers.

All Praise The Ancient of Days

[OneAccord]

Is this passage of Rev saying that anyone who doesn't or has never recieved Jesus gets the mark of the beast, or is it a future mark?

[endure4salvation]

Is this passage of Rev saying that anyone who doesn't or has never recieved Jesus gets the mark of the beast, or is it a future mark?

Revelation 13:16-18 tells us that the antichrist will force people to take the mark of the beast or they will not be allowed to buy or sell (eat).

Revelation 14:9-14

A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark...he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of His wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name. This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus. Then I heard a voice from heaven say, "Write: Blessed are the dead who die in the LORD from now on." "Yes," says the Spirit, "they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them."

I put in bold a part that shows that this verse is talking about Christians. Now I don't know (and neither do any of you) know for sure if there will be a pre or post trib rapture (that is an entirely different debate), but anyway that one looks at it, if a saint (Christian) receives the mark of the beast, there is absolutly no possible forgivenss of that and such a one will be in the lake of fire.

Make no mistake and do not be deceived.

[OneAccord]

The Catholics do believe in a second chance, correct me if I am wrong, that it's possible to escape eternal damnation from purgatory. Which verses do they use, and how do they get around the verses posted?

Please, I do not want this to deteriorate into a Catholic bashing session, just studying the hypotheticals.

[OneAccord]

When Jesus preached in Hell, was He giving the souls there a second chance?

[Guest shadow2b]

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but anyway that one looks at it, if a saint (Christian) receives the mark of the beast, there is absolutly no possible forgivenss of that and such a one will be in the lake of fire.

Make no mistake and do not be deceived.

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-ABSOLUTELY---CORRECT-A-MUNDO----as the fonz would say!!!

-Heb.9

[27] And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

2Cor.5

[8] We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

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the shadow knows what E-VILE lurks in the heart of men

[Ash]

When Jesus preached in Hell, was He giving the souls there a second chance?

One Accord, this got me thinking. I had always just thought that Jesus descended into hell to gain victory over death. Which really doesn't hold water, 'cos He ALREADY had that - look how many people He had raised from the dead! I also had an idea that He "spoke" to others while there, but I wasn't sure about Him "preaching". So I did a little research on the net, and I found this. Really good, I think; although I'm not too sure if I agree with the theologians about the "Abraham's bosom" part at the end!? I'm open to correction, btw.... Anyway, hope this helps...

Where did Jesus go after He died on the cross?

The Bible does not specifically state what happened to Jesus immediately after He died on the cross. Because of this, there is debate surrounding the answer to the question of where He went and what He did. So, I will present differing views so you might know the scope of the answer and decide for yourself which position is preferable.

Perhaps the best known scripture that appears to deal with this issue is found in 1 Pet. 3:18-20,

"For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; 19 in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, 20 who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water."

When Jesus was made alive in the spirit, it is not saying that His spirit died and then it became alive again. "Made alive in the spirit" is contrasted with "put to death in the flesh." He first lived as mortal men but "...He began to live a spiritual 'resurrection' life, whereby He has the power to bring us to God."1 Furthermore, some Bibles (NIV, KJV, and NKJV) render the verse as "made alive by the Spirit," referring to the Holy Spirit's work with Christ.

[Guest Teri]

First of all I would like to say I don't know what happens after death. Here's some definitions of the Greek which will make this study a bit more interesting and a bit less judgemental.

Burn, means combustion, change into a different state. When we burn wood it does not cease to exist it changes into a different state.

Fire is heat and light that you feel and see when something burns. It takes heat to start a fire, but once the fire is started it produces heat that keeps the process going.

Punishment is from the Greek word Kolasis which simply means punishment. It is an adjective for the root word Kolazo meaning to Chastise or to curtail.

The word forever and eternal are tranlated from the Greek word Aionios which is an adjective from the word Aion. Our English word Eon comes from this word and simply means a long period of time. The Greek word literally means for an age. Bible translators have translated this little word into many words in the English Bible, forever, forevermore, everlasting, eternal, course, and an age, and forever and forever. Take a look at Jonah 2:6, he says he is barred in forever. Now we know Jonah was not in the belly of the whale forever, so obviously there is something wrong here. plug that little word into it's places as eon, long length of time and we start getting some pretty different results.

And look at this Torment in the presence of the Lamb. Any of us who are saved would have to admit once in Christ's presence we are tormented when we finally come to discover what we truly are, sinful, deceitful, selfcentered and disgusting in the presence of the Lamb. A lamb simply by it's nature does not torment anyone, but by simply being there and shining forth in glory and truth are the inhabitants of hell tormented. It is there own state of being that torments them, to think that Jesus Christ would torment anyone is insane. That would put him on the level of every madman that ever walked the planet.

Brimstone, from the Greek word Theion which means divine. In Homers Iliad one is spoken of as purifying a goblet with fire and brimstone. The verb derived from Theion is Theioo, which means to hallow, to make divine, or to dedicate to a a god. So to a Greek which the language was written in would see this as a lake of divne purification.

I would like to purpose a thought here. Some of us go through this lake of fire here and now in this lifetime of the flesh. Some would go through it after the age of their flesh has passed. The Spirit realm is the more solid realm in Gods way of thinking because God is spirit and not of the flesh. The flesh is simply a created thing from the dust of the earth and is perishable, the spirit is not perishable. This is not to say that we should just run around and sin and make bad choices because we are going to get a second chance. But some of us were called here in this flesh to serve a master of Spirit. And because of that maybe we should quit putting time limits on Gods grace because God does not live in the realm of time. Time is a created thing for the flesh and not part of the place where God abodes.

A parting word. What is it that facinates us with this subject? Is it not pride that would like us to see all these billions of people suffer an eternal damnation because they didn't come to Christ, even the ones that never heard of Him in their lifetimes. And if we really believe that these other people are going to suffer in an everlasting tormenting fire, what are we doing here wasting precious time in our selfcentered endeavor with this? And honestly how do we call our God loving, but capable of tormenting his own creation for all eternity. Even the victims of Saddam and Hitler found peace in death. Doesn't this completely fly in the face of what we know about God?

In Yeshua's love

Teri