No Second Chance

[Guest dove2]

Terri, You and I can discuss this. Let us start with Jesus is our Jubilee.

[Guest Teri]

Dove Jesus is not our Jublilee, He is our redeemer. He is our next of kin that paid the price for us to be released from the prison of sin and death, or from the bondage of being a slave to the prince of this world. He paid our debt for us so that we might be free. In the year of Jublilee ALL are set free, from whatever it is they are in where ever they are at and they return to their place of origin. Our place of origin ALL people everywhere is God. He is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. All things begin in Him and all will end in Him. All people everywhere have not experienced the year of Jublilee, but if God ordained this sacred day and has not fulfilled it yet He will, He wills that all men be saved and returned unto Him and He will see it done no matter what our ramblings are.

On the day of Jublilee all captives are set free, but anytime BEFORE that day the redeemer may come and set some free through way of a payment. Christ paid the price for our redemption, but no payment is required for Jublilee, it is a free will gift, it is unbounding grace for all mankind. Now would that not glorify God the Father far and above tormenting His creation for ever and ever and ever. Israel is the forerunner to show this to us, to show us God's mercy and grace.

You see Dove I am native American. My ancestors who walked this land way before the white man came sought after God diligently. They were a very spiritual people and everything they did was in connections with their concept of the heavens. Well America was not founded until 1400 years after Christ. They didn't have the magical name of Jesus until 1400 years after Christ and 4000 before. So for 5400 years my ancestors were doomed to not just not living with God in the afterlife but to be tormented for all eternity. Then when missionaries finally got to them so they could be saved they were brutallizing them, taking their children into missions away from their families and dumping lye down their throats if they uttered a word in their own native tongue. There are thousands of horror stories that Christians did to my people and so many who never came to Christ because of it. So if God is just who really deserves the punishment? That is where my journey began. Now the scriptures after all my questioning of God are opening up in a beautiful and wonderful way.

Now that I understand God better and the keys are turning I laugh at my own ignorance before. God will's that ALL men should be saved, and I highly doubt that our ignorance, our stupidity, our lack of hearing, our lack of understanding, or anything else in all of Gods creation is going to stand in and have more power than His will. That doctrine still puts the ball in our court, it puts us in charge of our own salvation and we are not. The seed falls on different types of soil, but here in is the problem none of us made the soil so none of us can boast about having good soil. No Jesus is not our Jublilee, He is our Redeemer our blessed Redeemer, the day of Jublilee is yet to be fulfilled but when it is ALL MEN AND WOMEN AND ALL OF CREATION will rejoice at what a wonderful, merciful, loving, and full of Grace God we truly have. I do not claim to know everything, but I Do know God and He is a loving God and not a madman who made a creation to torture for ever. God is raising us up for something more spectacular than pointing out all the damned, and I for one am so excited for this day to come. Come quickly Lord Jesus, bring in the Jublilee.

In Yeshua's endless love and mercies

Teri

[WayneB]

My ancestors who walked this land way before the white man came sought after God diligently. They were a very spiritual people and everything they did was in connections with their concept of the heavens.

Teri, the search and subsequent relationship with God is an indvidual experience. I believe that if their individual search was after God the Creator and not the gods of creation and they had a relationship with Him, they were saved. BUT if they worshiped elements of the creation and ignored the call of the Creator, they were lost. The best example ---

Daniel 4:34 At the end of that time, I, Nebuchadnezzar, raised my eyes toward heaven, and my sanity was restored. Then I praised the Most High; I honored and glorified him who lives forever. [break] 37 Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise and exalt and glorify the King of heaven, because everything he does is right and all his ways are just. And those who walk in pride he is able to humble.

As I see it, even Nebuchadezzar, the most powerful man at that time, humbled himself and entered into a relationship with the Creator. I believe that all men throughout time have the same opportunity. The question becomes, how do they respond to their calling?

There are thousands of horror stories that Christians did to my people and so many who never came to Christ because of it.

It is sad what men have done to one another throughout history. There are many who are being persecuted today that remain faithful. Once again, the issue is your relationship with the Creator God.

That's how I see it.

[Guest idolsmasher]

Just wanted to plop in a few relevant verses out of the blue for your consideration:

Romans 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Romans 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

Romans 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Romans 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

Romans 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

Romans 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

[Anonymous]

Romans 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

Romans 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

"And I know, that I know....

I- Am - Saved!This is what I rest in!"

[WayneB]

Paul's letter to the Romans is a great study. Actually, the Sunday school class I teach has been on Romans for over a year now and we just finished chapter 10. We use Charles Swindoll's study guide as a resource.

All of Romans must be studied carefully and read in context of God's Word. That's why it has taken us over a year to just get through just 10 chapters. The verses you posted are our assurance of our salvation...praise God! Nothing can separate us from the Father...nothing. It says nothing about those who choose not to abide in the vine and therefore exercise their free will to follow their own path rather than follow the Father's path that He set for them. Once we are in the Father's arms, He will protect us and never allow us to be separated from him...as long as we remain in His flock.

A Scripture for your consideration ---

1 John 1:5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

We can share Scripture back and forth forever. That is why I broke it down to one question on another thread: If you believe in OSAS/UES, how do you reconclie Jesus' words in the Vineyard recorded in John 15. I have not yet read a convincing explanation.

God Bless brother,

Wayne

[endure4salvation]

Don't forget that there are other verses in Romans 8!!!

Romans 8:12-13

...we have an obligation--but it is not to the sinful nature, to live according to it.  For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.

[Guest dove2]

Teri said: Dove Jesus is not our Jublilee, He is our redeemer. He is our next of kin that paid the price for us to be released from the prison of sin and death, or from the bondage of being a slave to the prince of this world. He paid our debt for us so that we might be free. In the year of Jublilee ALL are set free, from whatever it is they are in where ever they are at and they return to their place of origin. Our place of origin ALL people everywhere is God. He is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. All things begin in Him and all will end in Him. All people everywhere have not experienced the year of Jublilee, but if God ordained this sacred day and has not fulfilled it yet He will, He wills that all men be saved and returned unto Him and He will see it done no matter what our ramblings are.

Calamity has given scripture after scripture and has done excellent on addressing each point. I don

[Guest Calamity]

Very good post, Dove, and very loving and gentle also.

[WayneB]

Dove --- thanks for saying it so much better than I could ever have. Your words were full of the Spirit and reflected the greater Truth. Thanks for sharing.