Floatingaxe Posted April 10, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted April 10, 2007 It's not a non-language, Arthur. It is a language of heaven, wherein the Holy Spirit speaks to the Father through my voicebox! As we lay it down to the control of the Holy Spirit, He takes it and speaks wonders through it, thus edifying the believer. It is an excellent way for us to be built up in the faith. Interpretation is a wonderful gift that comes to some to perform the job of interpreting an exhortation in tongues for the whole congregation--a different gift--so that we all will be made known the Father's heart in a matter. There are two specific tongues gifts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VelvetVoice Posted April 10, 2007 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 45 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/30/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/09/1961 Share Posted April 10, 2007 One of the problems with tongues: what if you can't do it, and no one in your congregation can do it? Does it mean you don't have the Holy Spirit amongst you? Pentecostals believe that you are not saved unless you can do it. I have a problem with that. Also, think about this: we seldom see the gift of healing from such things as blindness from birth, yet we still believe God heals. Does that mean that you are not praying hard enough if you don't get healing? Or if you are not showered with riches? No. 2 Timothy 3:16 - All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17so that (AV)the man of God may be adequate, (AW)equipped for every good work. It's my Calvinist teaching that Scripture is enough to draw people in. The miracles Jesus performed provided proof that He was who He was, they didn't necessarily cause people to believe in Him. People shouldn't look for miraculous gifts when coming to church, just doing God's will is what is called for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exrockstar Posted April 10, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,673 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 111 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/21/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted April 10, 2007 (edited) It's not a non-language, Arthur. It is a language of heaven, wherein the Holy Spirit speaks to the Father through my voicebox! As we lay it down to the control of the Holy Spirit, He takes it and speaks wonders through it why do they need you so they can "talk" to each other? just curious ... 3xR0c|<stAr Edited April 10, 2007 by exrockstar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VelvetVoice Posted April 10, 2007 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 45 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/30/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/09/1961 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Well, this is what I was told by a Pentecostal person. Maybe they are different in other parts of the country. If your pastor believes he is saved, and shows evidence of it, then he must be saved. He'll have a lot to answer for at the Throne of Grace if he isn't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giaour Posted April 10, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 179 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,941 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/28/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/08/1964 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Ad bot For Mature Believers Only Learn How To Speak In Tongues, Prophecy & Ahab So, it is something that you can learn and not just be given as a gift? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Biblicist Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 It's not a non-language, Arthur. It is a language of heaven, wherein the Holy Spirit speaks to the Father through my voicebox! As we lay it down to the control of the Holy Spirit, He takes it and speaks wonders through it, thus edifying the believer. It is an excellent way for us to be built up in the faith. Interpretation is a wonderful gift that comes to some to perform the job of interpreting an exhortation in tongues for the whole congregation--a different gift--so that we all will be made known the Father's heart in a matter. There are two specific tongues gifts. FA, some scripture references to back this up would be good for my personal study. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted April 11, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted April 11, 2007 It's not a non-language, Arthur. It is a language of heaven, wherein the Holy Spirit speaks to the Father through my voicebox! As we lay it down to the control of the Holy Spirit, He takes it and speaks wonders through it why do they need you so they can "talk" to each other? just curious ... 3xR0c|<stAr Huh? The Lord speaks about what I am praying about...but He does it in a more effective way, bypassing my feeble mind and pouring His power into the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrLuke Posted April 11, 2007 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 628 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/07/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1985 Share Posted April 11, 2007 Pentecostals believe that you are not saved unless you can do it. I have a problem with that. Goodness, does that mean that our pastor (of a pentacostal church) is not saved? Actually that's not true anymore. While Pentecostals (not to tar them all with the same brush) did believe, or at least have it stated in their doctrine of beliefs, that Tongues was the evidence of the Holy Spirit, it's been changed now to it just being an evidence of the Holy Spirit. Because really, any of the Gifts should be evidence of the Holy Spirit, not just one single gift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karen C. Posted April 11, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 662 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/15/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/01/1960 Share Posted April 11, 2007 While Pentecostals (not to tar them all with the same brush) did believe, or at least have it stated in their doctrine of beliefs, that Tongues was the evidence of the Holy Spirit, it's been changed now to it just being an evidence of the Holy Spirit. Because really, any of the Gifts should be evidence of the Holy Spirit, not just one single gift. Not exactly. Assembly has always stated that 1. Holy Spirit comes to live in the believer upon initial salvation at confession as Jesus as Lord and Savior. 2. Baptized with the Holy Spirit WITH the power is with evidence of speaking in tongues. Blessings, Karen (AG Minister) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karen C. Posted April 11, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 662 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/15/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/01/1960 Share Posted April 11, 2007 For more info you can visit the web site at http://ag.org/top/Beliefs/Position_Papers/...filled_life.cfm Blessings, Karen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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