Self Defense

[Scarletprayers]

Eliyahuw, not trying to start and argument or anything, but you posted in another thread about your son being killed by someone, yet above you say no one in your family has ever been killed by and attacker? Did I misunderstand something?

He was beaten to death with a aluminum baseball bat. When we buried him, it was closed casket because of what they did to him.

We are talking about with a gun. the poster made the argument that most people are killed by their own guns.

Okay, like I said I was just asking because I knew I had read that (well I thought I had anyway) My son was killed also, also a closed casket, I understand.

[Eliyahuw]

Eliyahuw, not trying to start and argument or anything, but you posted in another thread about your son being killed by someone, yet above you say no one in your family has ever been killed by and attacker? Did I misunderstand something?

He was beaten to death with a aluminum baseball bat. When we buried him, it was closed casket because of what they did to him.

We are talking about with a gun. the poster made the argument that most people are killed by their own guns.

Okay, like I said I was just asking because I knew I had read that (well I thought I had anyway) My son was killed also, also a closed casket, I understand.

I'm so sorry. I still haven't stopped trying to find the (can't saywhat i really feel) murderer.

[Scarletprayers]

Eliyahuw, not trying to start and argument or anything, but you posted in another thread about your son being killed by someone, yet above you say no one in your family has ever been killed by and attacker? Did I misunderstand something?

He was beaten to death with a aluminum baseball bat. When we buried him, it was closed casket because of what they did to him.

We are talking about with a gun. the poster made the argument that most people are killed by their own guns.

Okay, like I said I was just asking because I knew I had read that (well I thought I had anyway) My son was killed also, also a closed casket, I understand.

I'm so sorry. I still haven't stopped trying to find the (can't saywhat i really feel) murderer.

I don't care if they are ever found in this life, God will take so much better care of it than man ever will.

[Guest LadyC]

slightly off the subject.... but... smalclad and eli, can you both please bear in mind that this is a christian forum, and since neither of you would dare actually say what b.s. stands for, can you also come up with some other way of phrasing things than using initials for the words in which every person reading it knows you're intending to cuss?

[Eliyahuw]

slightly off the subject.... but... smalclad and eli, can you both please bear in mind that this is a christian forum, and since neither of you would dare actually say what b.s. stands for, can you also come up with some other way of phrasing things than using initials for the words in which every person reading it knows you're intending to cuss?

Excuse me ladyc, i didn't use anything profane. so please don't include me in your chastisement. i didn't earn it.

[Guest man]

slightly off the subject.... but... smalclad and eli, can you both please bear in mind that this is a christian forum, and since neither of you would dare actually say what b.s. stands for, can you also come up with some other way of phrasing things than using initials for the words in which every person reading it knows you're intending to cuss?

Excuse me ladyc, i didn't use anything profane. so please don't include me in your chastisement. i didn't earn it.

Its not a macho BS. I'll drop anyone right where they stand if i determine their a threat. I don't know if you have realized it yet, there are crazies in this world.

Did you not say this?

[Eliyahuw]

slightly off the subject.... but... smalclad and eli, can you both please bear in mind that this is a christian forum, and since neither of you would dare actually say what b.s. stands for, can you also come up with some other way of phrasing things than using initials for the words in which every person reading it knows you're intending to cuss?

Excuse me ladyc, i didn't use anything profane. so please don't include me in your chastisement. i didn't earn it.

Its not a macho BS. I'll drop anyone right where they stand if i determine their a threat. I don't know if you have realized it yet, there are crazies in this world.

Did you not say this?

As i said i didn't post ANYTHING profane!

[Guest man]

slightly off the subject.... but... smalclad and eli, can you both please bear in mind that this is a christian forum, and since neither of you would dare actually say what b.s. stands for, can you also come up with some other way of phrasing things than using initials for the words in which every person reading it knows you're intending to cuss?

Excuse me ladyc, i didn't use anything profane. so please don't include me in your chastisement. i didn't earn it.

Its not a macho BS. I'll drop anyone right where they stand if i determine their a threat. I don't know if you have realized it yet, there are crazies in this world.

Did you not say this?

As i said i didn't post ANYTHING profane!

Whatever.

[Godsloft]

there is not one single passage in scripture which indicates we are not to defend our own lives against a thief, a psychopath, etc. the only thing even close is that those who die for CHRIST are blessed. since in our country at least, psychos don't go around asking you if you believe in Jesus before blowing your brains out.

Jesus told his desciples to carry a sword, and if they didn't have one, to sell their coat and buy one, because there would be difficult and dangerous times ahead in which they would need one.

that's good enough for me.

This is not true. Christ plainly stated not to resist an evil person. He also plainly stated that those who take up the sword will die by the sword. And He who tries to save His life will lose it. And if some one strikes you on the cheek turn the other to him also.

Matthew 5

39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.

Matthew 26

52 But Jesus said to him, "Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword.

Matthew 16

25 For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.

There is no such thing as self defense in Christ Jesus.

Taking these verses out of context i see.....

Mat 5:38

[Eliyahuw]

there is not one single passage in scripture which indicates we are not to defend our own lives against a thief, a psychopath, etc. the only thing even close is that those who die for CHRIST are blessed. since in our country at least, psychos don't go around asking you if you believe in Jesus before blowing your brains out.

Jesus told his desciples to carry a sword, and if they didn't have one, to sell their coat and buy one, because there would be difficult and dangerous times ahead in which they would need one.

that's good enough for me.

This is not true. Christ plainly stated not to resist an evil person. He also plainly stated that those who take up the sword will die by the sword. And He who tries to save His life will lose it. And if some one strikes you on the cheek turn the other to him also.

Matthew 5

39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.

Matthew 26

52 But Jesus said to him, "Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword.

Matthew 16

25 For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.

There is no such thing as self defense in Christ Jesus.

Taking these verses out of context i see.....

Mat 5:38